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Emotions and tradition clash over anti-gun move (SWISS)
« on: December 27, 2010, 02:01:38 PM »
by Urs Geiser and Olivier Pauchard, swissinfo.ch

Supporters and opponents of a proposal aimed at limiting access to guns have launched their campaigns ahead of a nationwide vote in February.

Switzerland has the highest number of arms per capita, with estimates varying between 1.2 million and 2.3 million. But exact data are not available as there is no central arms register.

Shaken by a number of high-profile killings over the past decade a broad alliance of human rights groups, churches, women’s organisations, trade unions and centre-left political parties has succeeded in forcing a nationwide ballot on an anti-gun initiative.
 
As in other countries many arms are in the hands of hunters, collectors and marksmen in Switzerland. Yet one of the peculiarities of the country is that members of the militia army keep their personal army-issue guns at home - in many cases even following completion of mandatory service.
 
It is a long tradition that carbines, pistols and even assault rifles - a standard infantry weapon - are kept in Swiss households.
 
For decades the high number of firearms in the public sphere appeared to give little cause for concern. The problems only came to the fore in the context of a series of attacks and family killings, including the attack by a lone gunman on a cantonal parliament in 2001 and the murder of a former Swiss ski star by her husband four years ago.
 
A recent survey by criminologist Martin Killias estimates that up to 300 people are killed by army-issue firearms annually in Switzerland.

Broad coalition

A 70-strong coalition from civil society - backed by the centre-left Social Democrats and the Greens - last year handed in the necessary number of signatures for an initiative which seeks to set up a national arms register and ban army-issue firearms from private households.
 
It also aims to tighten regulations for licensed gun holders in an effort to fight possible abuse.
 
“It’s hard to understand why it should not be possible to set up a national database for a tool that can be used to kill - and that in a country where every cow, dog and parrot is registered,” said Jean-Pierre Monti of the union representing employees of the federal police force.
 
Jacques de Haller of the Swiss Medical Association adds that the initiative is not a pacifist smokescreen to weaken the army.
 
“We want to save lives, not do away with the army,” he said.
 
Storing army firearms in private homes is a serious security risk as the suicide rate among young men is particularly high, prevention specialists warn.
 
The slogan of the campaigners is, aptly, “Protect your family – vote yes to preventing gun violence”. Posters picture a teddy bear with blood dripping from a hole in its chest.

Enough

However, most parties in parliament, notably from the centre-right and rightwing, as well as the government have come out against the initiative.
 
Opening the campaign at the beginning of December, Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga said the current gun law was sufficient to protect the population against misuse  and that the initiative would be difficult to put into practice.
 
Yvan Perrin, a parliamentarian for the rightwing Swiss People’s Party argues that a central database is a first step towards banning firearms altogether.
 
Perrin adds that a ban to keep army-issue guns in households is tantamount to disarming soldiers and would seriously undermine mandatory shooting practice and traditional shooting competitions.
 
“Allowing members of the armed forces to keep their guns at home is a sign of respect by the state for its citizens,” Perrin said.
 
The initiative wants army-issue firearms to be stored in arsenals and discharged soldiers - except for licensed marksmen - would no longer be able to keep their guns.
 
But the exemptions leave Perrin unconvinced.
 
“If they insist on a strict application of the initiative hardly anybody will be able to prove that they do need the weapon,” he argued.

Emotions, tradition

Less than eight weeks before the vote on February 13, the campaign still has to pick up but it has already become clear how emotional and controversial the issue is perceived to be by the public.
 
An interview with a former senior defence ministry official who came out in favour of the initiative prompted a wave of readers’ feedback – from both supporters and opponents.
 
Defence Minister Ueli Maurer felt it was necessary to respond publicly, alleging the retired official was out of touch with reality and lacked credibility.
 
Opponents of the initiative have dismissed a call by a United Nations committee to restrict access to firearms in Switzerland as an interference in internal affairs.
 
“The Swiss are responsible citizens and they decide themselves about Swiss laws,” a curt statement put it.

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Re: Emotions and tradition clash over anti-gun move (SWISS)
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 06:05:49 PM »
See, it isn't just "American liberals". Disarming the populace is part of the strategy of the "Internationalist elites".
It used to be Marxist /Leninist Communism, The "International proletariat". But the fall of the Soviet Union took Marx and Lenin out of the picture entirely except as window dressing for the sheep, now it is people like Soros working through the UN.
There are a lot of people who just need killing.

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Re: Emotions and tradition clash over anti-gun move (SWISS)
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 06:54:07 PM »
IANSA, Rebecca Peters, Joyce Foundation, Brady Bunch, U.N. et al,...All have it in their pea brains, that disarmament will lead to a more "peaceful society"....

Even if history proves them wrong, it doesn't matter.

Since the Swiss, have required a trained and armed citizenry, the same groups that worked to disarm the UK, Australia, Japan, most of Europe, China, etc,.....etc;

Have finally thrown enough $$$ to pansy politicians to get an "initiative" to disarm the Swiss, or restrict further armed citizens.

It won't stop, they'll regroup and try again here.  They just won't learn that:

An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.
As criminals LOVE gun free zones....

"There is only one guarantee if you are disarmed - the Government, military, and criminals will have weapons and guns. They will be the exclusive holders of force. As such, they will control you (they will OWN you and your family). With force, at their whim, they will decide what is to be done with you."
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"If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all."
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Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Re: Emotions and tradition clash over anti-gun move (SWISS)
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 01:29:04 PM »
"If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA)



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Re: Emotions and tradition clash over anti-gun move (SWISS)
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 01:38:27 PM »
"If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA)


I about ruined a perfectly good keyboard when I read that. ;D Note to Mr. Waxman: Its precisley for the purpose of making politicians nervous that we have a Second Amendment. If you are nervous? Good! You're getting the message. If you think its a bad thing that you're nervous? You should be more nervous. ;D
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Re: Emotions and tradition clash over anti-gun move (SWISS)
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 01:41:07 PM »
"If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA)


I about ruined a perfectly good keyboard when I read that. ;D Note to Mr. Waxman: It precisley for the purpose of making politicians nervous that we have a Second Amendment. If you are nervous? Good! You're getting the message. If you think its a bad thing that you're nervous? You should be more nervous. ;D
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Bulls-eye!!

Exactly what have you been planning that would make you nervous about folks intending to protect their rights, Mr. Waxman?
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Re: Emotions and tradition clash over anti-gun move (SWISS)
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 01:42:41 PM »
I forget who said it, and don't feel like looking it up, but some one said when the Govt. fears the people you have liberty, when the people fear the Govt. you have tyranny."

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