Debate/Arguement - I'm in one

[Pathfinder]

I never really thought of the Kibbutzim as being socialist. I had always thought they were more akin to the tribal society structure similar to that practiced by the American Indians where every one just took care of the community rather than person ambition.
What are every bodies thoughts on such a  "Tribal" mentality  , where the good of the community takes precedence over personal ambition ? In many tribes a "Chief" gave away his belongings upon his elevation, and if he gained possesions due to his position he was cast out as unworthy. Would this be considered "socialist" ? Could it work in a larger community ?
It seems to me that such a concept is, in some degree a motivating factor in the "Volunteer" military we have today.

The kibbutzim were based on the Socialist ideals from the very get go, and were run on a Socialist model every day. If you had a child, you went to work where the kibbutz needed you, and the child was brought up in a communal setting with all of the other kids. You owned nothing, the kibbutz owned everything.

The kibbutz leaders were of course busy running the kibbutz, so other than token work here or there, most presented an excellent image of Orwell's "Some of us are more equal than others" statement.

The Tea Party "woke" a few up,......and it's not over yet.

As Churchill famously stated - It's not the end, it's not the beginning of the end, it is perhaps the end of the beginning. Only I fear it is not even that. And the Frankfurt School wankers will do everything they can to destroy anyone who stands up against them. Witness O'Connell's plight in Delaware with the "investigation". Or Miller's in Alaska, who was basically thrown to the wolves when Murkowski ran as a write-in. It will be bad, it will be ugly, and the other side controls much of the press where the sheeple get what little information the do get.

[alfsauve]

The kibbutzim were based on the Socialist ideals from the very get go, and were run on a Socialist model every day. If you had a child, you went to work where the kibbutz needed you, and the child was brought up in a communal setting with all of the other kids. You owned nothing, the kibbutz owned everything.

I never realized how "socialistic" they were until I read Heaven On Earth.   Even your clothes were drawn weekly from the laundry.  Everyone wore the same.   Children lived in a communal house and were only with their parents a couple of hours a day.  Meals were all communal.   Of course that kept housing costs down, since a dwelling only had to have a living area, one bedroom and one bathroom.  No need for a kitchen or children's rooms.   All entertainment(TV, radio, games) was communally owned and typically kept and used in a community center.

[tombogan03884]

The kibbutzim were based on the Socialist ideals from the very get go, and were run on a Socialist model every day. If you had a child, you went to work where the kibbutz needed you, and the child was brought up in a communal setting with all of the other kids. You owned nothing, the kibbutz owned everything.

The kibbutz leaders were of course busy running the kibbutz, so other than token work here or there, most presented an excellent image of Orwell's "Some of us are more equal than others" statement.

I never realized how "socialistic" they were until I read Heaven On Earth.   Even your clothes were drawn weekly from the laundry.  Everyone wore the same.   Children lived in a communal house and were only with their parents a couple of hours a day.  Meals were all communal.   Of course that kept housing costs down, since a dwelling only had to have a living area, one bedroom and one bathroom.  No need for a kitchen or children's rooms.   All entertainment(TV, radio, games) was communally owned and typically kept and used in a community center.

DOH ! I should have realized considering the heavy socialist influence on the early Zionist movement.
Two things I would debate is Paths comment " The kibbutz leaders were of course busy running the kibbutz, so other than token work here or there, most presented an excellent image of Orwell's "Some of us are more equal than others" statement."
Isn't administration equally important to the proper function of any organization ? Isn't it more practical to have those with administrative skills using them instead of mucking out the swamps ?
The other thing is more a question for Alf, How much of that was because of a socialist agenda and how much was because of limited resources ? For example limited electrical power being used to supply cooking, and TV to one community center rather than the whole "Village" ?