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tombogan03884

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WWII Trivia
« on: January 02, 2011, 01:46:46 PM »
I got these interesting facts in an E mail today

        1. The first German serviceman killed in WW II

was killed by the Japanese ( China , 1937), the first American serviceman

killed was killed by the Russians ( Finland 1940); highest ranking

American killed was Lt Gen Lesley McNair, killed by the US Army Air

Corps.  So much for friendly fire.

           

            2. The youngest US serviceman was 12 year old

Calvin Graham, USN.  He was wounded and given a Dishonorable Discharge

for lying about his age. His benefits were later restored by act of

Congress.

           

            3. At the time of Pearl Harbor , the top US Navy

command was called CINCUS (pronounced 'sink us'), the shoulder patch of

the US Army's 45th Infantry division was the Swastika, and Hitler's

private train car was named 'Amerika.' All three were soon changed for

PR purposes.

           

            4. More US servicemen died in the Air Corps than in

the Marine Corps. While completing the required 30 missions, your chance

of being killed was 71%.

           

            5. Generally speaking, there was no such thing

as an average fighter pilot. You were either an ace or a target. For

instance, Japanese Ace Hiroyoshi Nishizawa shot down over 80 planes, yet he

died while a passenger on a cargo plane.

           

            6. It was a common practice on fighter planes to

load every 5th round with a tracer round to aid in aiming. This was a

mistake. Tracers had different ballistics at long range so if your

tracers were hitting the target, 80% of your rounds were missing. Worse

yet, tracers instantly told your enemy he was under fire and from which

direction. Worst of all was the practice of loading a string of tracers

at the end of the belt to tell you that you were out of ammo. This was

definitely not something you wanted to tell the enemy. Units that

stopped using tracers saw their success rate nearly double and their

loss rate go down.

           

            7. When allied armies reached the Rhine , the

first thing men did was pee in it. This was pretty universal from the

lowest private to Winston Churchill (who made a big show of it) and Gen.

Patton (who had himself photographed in the act).

           

            8. German Me-264 bombers were capable of bombing

New York City, but Hitler decided it wasn't worth the effort.

           

            9. German submarine U-120 was sunk by a

malfunctioning toilet.

           

            10. Among the first 'Germans' captured at

Normandy were several Koreans. They had been forced to fight for the

Japanese Army until they were captured by the Russians and forced to

fight for the Russian Army until they were captured by the Germans and

forced to fight for the German Army until they were captured by the US

Army.

           

            AND LAST....

           

            11. Following a massive naval bombardment,

35,000 United States and Canadian troops stormed ashore at Kiska, in the

Aleutian Islands. 21 troops were killed in the assault on the island. It

could have been worse if there had been any Japanese on the island.



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Re: WWII Trivia
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2011, 02:06:43 PM »
 

            4. More US servicemen died in the Air Corps than in

the Marine Corps. While completing the required 30 missions, your chance

of being killed was 71%.
That understates it. More were killed in the 8th Air Force alone (strategic bombers and their escorts based in England) than in the entire USMC.

           

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5. Generally speaking, there was no such thing

as an average fighter pilot. You were either an ace or a target. For

instance, Japanese Ace Hiroyoshi Nishizawa shot down over 80 planes, yet he

died while a passenger on a cargo plane.
Maybe true of other nations, not so much for our guys. During the last year of the war in Europe, many (maybe most) US fighter pilots completed their entire tour without ever seeing, much less engaging, an enemy aircraft in the sky.

There was no such thing as a "tour" for German and Japanese pilots. They flew until the end, until they were injured too badly to fly, or they were killed. That's why some of them had scores in the hundreds, where our top guy had "only" 40.
          
 
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8. German Me-264 bombers were capable of bombing New York City, but Hitler decided it wasn't worth the effort.
If they'd had any operational, and if they'd had the fuel to do so, and if they could have figured out some way to get there where they wouldn't be intercepted and destroyed on the way....maybe. Probably an overstatement. ;)

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Re: WWII Trivia
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2011, 05:13:58 PM »
Not positive but I think the FW 200 Condor had the range as well, but it was never used as anything but Maritime recon harassing Northern Convoys.

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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2011, 05:14:43 PM »
Been watching the World At War on the Military Channel,.... Leningrad, Stalingrad, the loss of life, along the Eastern Front, the desperate requests by the German Commanders, fell on deaf ears. Hitler was no commander, thankfully. Finally, even a hand picked German General defied him and after 820 days, Leningrad was released.

1 MILLION civilians died in Leningrad alone.

Thankful for #8. The Me-109, Stuka, Me262, V1, V2, Tiger, Panzer, U-Boats, Bismarck,  Sturm-Guewher (sp), 88mm etc,.....Ironic, some of the most advanced weapons came from the loser.

As Patton said, fighting Rommel: "What a damn fine waste of good infantry." Very close to doing the "Goose Step", in many parts of the world.

Gratefully, our Military, and Commanders, were given ROE, that simply had to be done to ensure a path to Victory. Mistakes were made, as in all combat, but Hitler and his Generals, bit off more than they could chew, and supply.

For instance, more American soldiers died training and preparing for D-Day, than the Iraq war.



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Re: WWII Trivia
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2011, 05:22:51 PM »
During one of the pre D-day practice landings at Slapton Sands German E-Boats got through the Destroyer screen and sank the Transport Libreville with 800 US troops on board.
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The assault at Slapton Sands was known as Exercise Tiger, one of several rehearsals conducted in preparation for the momentous invasion to come. So vital was the exercise of accustoming the troops to the combat conditions they were soon to face that commanders had ordered use of live naval and artillery fire, which could be employed because British civilians had long ago been relocated from the region around Slapton Sands. Individual soldiers also had live ammunition for their rifles and machine guns.



In those early hours of 28 April off the south coast in Lyme Bay, a flotilla of eight LSTs (landing ship, tank) was plowing toward Slapton Sands, transporting a follow-up force of engineers and chemical and quartermaster troops not scheduled for assault but to be unloaded in orderly fashion along with trucks, amphibious trucks, jeeps and heavy engineering equipment.

Out of the darkness, nine swift German torpedo boats suddenly appeared. On routine patrol out of the French port of Cherbourg, the commanders had learned of heavy radio traffic in Lyme Bay. Ordered to investigate, they were amazed to see what they took to be a flotilla of eight destroyers. They hastened to attack.

German torpedoes hit three of the LSTs. One lost its stern but eventually limped into port. Another burst into flames, the fire fed by gasoline in the vehicles aboard. A third keeled over and sank within six minutes.

There was little time for launching lifeboats. Trapped below decks, hundreds of soldiers and sailors went down with the ships. Others leapt into the sea, but many soon drowned, weighted down by water-logged overcoats and in some cases pitched forward into the water because they were wearing life belts around their waists rather than under their armpits. Others succumbed to hypothermia in the cold water.



When the waters of the English Channel at last ceased to wash bloated bodies ashore, the toll of the dead and missing stood at 198 sailors and 551 soldiers, a total of 749, the most costly training incident involving U.S. forces during World War II.

Allied commanders were not only concerned about the loss of life and two LSTs -- which left not a single LST as a reserve for D-Day -- but also about the possibility that the Germans had taken prisoners who might be forced to reveal secrets about the upcoming invasion. Ten officers aboard the LSTs had been closely involved in the invasion planning and knew the assigned beaches in France; there was no rest until those 10 could be accounted for: all of them drowned.

A subsequent official investigation revealed two factors that may have contributed to the tragedy -- a lack of escort vessels and an error in radio frequencies.

Although there were a number of British picket ships stationed off the south coast, including some facing Cherbourg, only two vessels were assigned to accompany the convoy -- a corvette and a World War I-era destroyer. Damaged in a collision, the destroyer put into port, and a replacement vessel came to the scene too late.



Because of a typographical error in orders, the U.S. LSTs were on a radio frequency different from the corvette and the British naval headquarters ashore. When one of the picket ships spotted German torpedo boats soon after midnight, a report quickly reached the British corvette but not the LSTs. Assuming the U.S. vessels had received the same report, the commander of the corvette made no effort to raise them.

Whether an absence of either or both of those factors would have had any effect on the tragic events that followed would be impossible to say -- but probably not. The tragedy off Slapton Sands was simply one of those cruel happenstances of war.

Meanwhile, orders went out imposing the strictest secrecy on all who knew or might learn of the tragedy, including doctors and nurses who treated the survivors. There was no point in letting the enemy know what he had accomplished, least of all in affording any clue that might link Slapton Sands to Utah Beach.

Nobody ever lifted that order of secrecy, for by the time D-Day had passed, the units subject to the order had scattered. Quite obviously, in any case, the order no longer had any legitimacy particularly after Gen. Eisenhower's Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force, in July 1944 issued a press release telling of the tragedy. Notice of it was printed, among other places, in the soldier newspaper, Stars & Stripes.

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Re: WWII Trivia
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Re: WWII Trivia
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2011, 06:07:49 PM »
Not positive but I think the FW 200 Condor had the range as well, but it was never used as anything but Maritime recon harassing Northern Convoys.

The Condor maybe had the range, would have had to carry extra fuel. The FW-200 suffered from being designed as a passenger plane, not a bomber later retrofitted to passenger service. As a result, it basically sucked as a bomber, hence its role as maritime observation.
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2011, 06:41:29 PM »
The Condor maybe had the range, would have had to carry extra fuel. The FW-200 suffered from being designed as a passenger plane, not a bomber later retrofitted to passenger service. As a result, it basically sucked as a bomber, hence its role as maritime observation.
You beat me to it.  ;)

Nobody but the US and Britain ever developed a good strategic bombing capability. Hitler and his cronies didn't think it was necessary, that their tactical air would suffice. By the time it became obvious otherwise, it was too late.

The Heinkel 177 might have become a halfway decent strategic bomber for them, but low priority meant it never got properly developed and never got its hundreds of serious bugs worked out.

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2011, 08:00:16 PM »
You beat me to it.  ;)

Nobody but the US and Britain ever developed a good strategic bombing capability. Hitler and his cronies didn't think it was necessary, that their tactical air would suffice. By the time it became obvious otherwise, it was too late.

The Heinkel 177 might have become a halfway decent strategic bomber for them, but low priority meant it never got properly developed and never got its hundreds of serious bugs worked out.

These are what we call Good Things.  ;)

I'm not real sure about that Snake, If the Germans could have deployed sufficient amounts of their more advanced designs in all aspects of armaments against the Soviets, they could conceivably have forced the Soviet Union to some type of a settlement, perhaps even the type of anti Govt. coup that took the Russians out of WWI . If they had done so before FDR and Japan dragged America into the war the world since 42 would have been a very different place. No Cold war, Chinese communists would not have had Soviet aid so they would most likely have been crushed, Korea and Vietnam would have been in the Japanese/ Chinese sphere of interest so we probably never would have been involved in either conflict, if they had even occurred.
In all likely hood the US would have remained primarily a Hemispheric Power who's interests would not have extended much beyond the America's and surrounding sea lanes.
Pretty safe bet that Europe would not now be on the verge of an Islamic take over   ;D

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2011, 08:17:19 PM »
+1 Tom, the German bombers were mid range, the Russians used their vast land mass to their advantage, that and Russian winters.

 the supply lines were to short. The Junkers Ju52 was our DC-3, great flyer, medium range. The He 177 was close as the Focke Wolfe 200, The Dornier line were all short/medium range.

The Eastern Front would have been a different tale, had the Luftwaffe been able to engage in numbers. But we were bombing the crap out of them on the Western Front, and the Eastern Front covered too many miles. Even for the few long range bombers they had.

Instead on focusing on a couple long range bombers, the Junkers, Dorniers, Heinkels, came out fast and furious. Another mistake.

Had the Luftwaffe had consistent bombing capability on the Eastern Front, the outcome might have been different.





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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2011, 09:53:24 PM »
I'm not real sure about that Snake, If the Germans could have deployed sufficient amounts of their more advanced designs in all aspects of armaments against the Soviets....

But that's the whole point. They didn't have developed, functional, operational "advanced designs"--much less sufficient amounts of them--when it might have done them some good, because they didn't forecast the need. They thought they could do it all with Stukas and He 111s and Ju88s and suchlike. 

They were wrong, fortunately for us and the world.  ;)
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