WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fightingquaker13]

Let me chime in here and suggest an easy solution to this problem. I did mention a modifed LEO model kel-tec that had "idiot proof" selection between lethal and non-lethal tubes. (Again, it was half tongue in cheek because of the potential for tragic error). Timothy's post  brings this closer to home. A good rule of thumb could be that an officer is NOT to fire a "non-lethal" projectile unless lethal force would be justified. Lots of folks have died from rubber bullets (aka Thatcher dlidos) around the world. Basically, if the ROE were don't fire if you aren't justified in killing, than the liability issue would vanish. It would be just a matter of discretion. Tear gas, pepperspray, tasers, batons would all be available for crowd control. But buckshot or a bean bag, the only question the officer would need to answer would be "was the shoot justified"? The particular projectile chosen would simply be a tactical call, much like shotgun vs pistol. Just a thought.
FQ13

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There is no such thing as idoit proof.

remington makes a 12 ga that is for just less then lethal stuff.  its only got a 2.5" chamber.  Just so no one can load a lethal round into it.


I don't know about all the LEA in the nation, but the ones around here have a policy, to not deploy less then lethal stuff unless there is a back up officer with thier gun in hand( rather its long gun or side arm)

[Solus]

I noted in the description that the selector can be set to the right tube or the left tube or neither.  The "neither" position would allow the slide to be racked without drawing a round from either tube.  It was not stated in the description, but perhaps this would allow the chambering of a round manually?

So, shot in one tube, slug in the other and "non-lethal" in a carrier/bandolier.  If the situation allows a non-lethal response, the extra time needed to manually load and the slower follow up shots would not be an issue.

I guess problems might arise if lethal rounds are also being carried, but with 14 loaded, only "non-lethal" could be carried outside the weapon.

[seeker_two]

If a police force used this kind of gun as a lethal/less-lethal combo, I'd figure that they'd have some sort of extra safety (like a pin that has to be pulled or something) that would block the selector from being moved to the lethal tube without some kind of deliberate actions being used. This would eliminate the "Ooopsie" factor and save the city attorneys some headaches.....


....true, it might get some LEO's killed.....but, if it saves the political careers of the Mayor and the Chief of Police......

[tombogan03884]

Israeli troops routinely kill Palestinian rioters with "less than lethal" ammo. (rubber bullets )

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[Big Frank]

Less lethal, not less than lethal.

[bryand71]

NRA4Life has started a thread about this as well

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=15095.new#new

My question is other than home defense what is it good for ?
Looks cool, but the dual feed idea has been around since at least the 80's, and with that short a barrel range will be limited. I do not see this taking off as it does nothing that can't already be accomplished with far more versatile, proven designs.

From what I read, it has an 18" barrel, witch is still long enough to get the job done with the right ammo on any other shotgun. So I don't see why this would be any different. Yes, you probably won't see anyone dove hunting with this because of the barrel length and magazine capacity. But I am looking forward to getting my hands on one for personal protection around my home.