24 Hours Later, The Anti Gun Legislation Proposal

[tombogan03884]

Sorry, but Devil's advocate is way too much fun w this one!

This one nut did more damage, and did it easier and faster, all by himself than all nine men did at the OK Corral, and most people know why even if they won't admit it.  

Bringing up how fast JM can shoot his wheelguns, or how many TM killed w a bomb doesn't really do you any good. Might as well argue the jawbone of an ass is a deadlier weapon than a bomb or a Glock cuzz Samson killed a thousand w his.

If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns? So what!? London may have more shootings than before, but still waaaaay less than LA, DC, Chicago, or NYC.

The USA was safer before the NFA and GCA? So what! Get rid of them and most people know some parts of America will look more like Somalia than Switzerland.

With arguments like those, it's a wonder we aren't Canada already! When Giffords hears them again, I'm sure her NRA rating will go from a C to an A despite her recent discomfort. That's terrible, and that's what youse guys sound like to the millions of non gun owning voters...

The slope is slippery. If every tragedy is a reason for more gun control, then eventually there is nothing left to control.

Thank the deity of your choice for the SA and Heller! It's not perfect, but it's what we got so far. Reasonable restrictions are not infringements. Some restrictions are off the table, but not all of them. Time will tell?

You're just enjoying arguing the mindless sheep angle with BS that is not valid. For example, you recommend 10 round Mag limit ? He hit 8 people with his 30+ rounds. what would change with lower capacity but more skill ?

As TAB pointed out a bomb would have been more effective and much easier to obtain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hamas_suicide_attacks

When Aum gassed the Tokyo subways they injured 800.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

as for the Knife attacks in China :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Chinese_school_attacks

Incidents
[edit] March
Main article: Nanping school massacre

On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[3] 41, killed eight with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping,[1] Fujian province;[4] The attack was widely reported in Chinese media (called 南平实验小学重大凶杀案),[3] sparking fears of copycat crimes.[4] Following a quick trial, the Minsheng was executed about one month later, on April 28.[1]
[edit] April

Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province,[5] in Leizhou,[6] Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 (陈康炳)[7] at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher.[4] Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou;[7] he was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June.[8] On April 29 in Taixing,[1] Jiangsu, 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to a kindergarten and stabbed 28 students, two teachers and one security guard;[4] most of the Taixing students were 4 years old.[9] On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang,[1] Shandong, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation.[4]
[edit] May

An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010;[1] early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks.[1][10] The attacker later committed suicide at his house; he was the landlord of the school,[11] Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building.[11]

On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology (海南科技职业学院), a vocational college in Haikou, Hainan, more than 10 men[12] charged into a dormitory wielding knives around 2:30 am;[13] after attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously.[13] The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13.[14]
[edit] June and July

During this period there were no reported attacks as it was the summer holidays for many schools in China.
[edit] August

On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime; his motive is not yet known.[15]

Your arguments are, obviously, crap.

[fullautovalmet76]

Not to change the debate, but to look at this from a different angle.

A law is passed that limits us to 10 round mags. A lawsuit is filed, winds its way through the courts and gets to SCOTUS. The government argues it has a legitimate public safety interest in regulating a product that is sold on the market. The plaintiff argues that limiting mags to 10 rounds is like limiting the amount of pages that can be published in a book, or how many churches can be built in a city, or how many newspapers can exist- all for the sake of the public good. The plaintiff asserts those actions would be considered an undue infringement upon our 1A rights, so what's the difference on the 2A here as it pertains to the magazine question?

[twyacht]

Here's another angle, Loghner, bought the gun in Dec. no reports of any actual range time, except some g-string photos, and perhaps some video games, for his miserable existence.

Point being, no training and/or range time. His method was spray and pray. Put a 10 round mag in the hands of someone who waited a year went to the range everyday/week, practiced, got training, hell, got crimson trace, and than went to Safeway with a pocket FULL of 10 rounders.

Not only would the kill ratio have been higher, he most likely would have reloaded in about a second. Tactical movements, would have increased his space between potential attackers/tacklers, and it would have taken that citizen with his CCW, or a LEO, to engage. Creating multiple shooters, and potentially MORE dead and wounded.

The MikeO position, as tom put it so eloquently, is crap. Here's some "standard" mags Mike....and practice, OBTW, don't blink, he's already reloaded twice.

[Pathfinder]

And now the other shoe, one we've been waiting for for some time now.

Obama Administration's New Proposed Gun Regulation for Border States Met With Bipartisan Dissent

"The Obama administration's plan to force new reporting requirements on thousands of gun dealers near the Mexico border is under fire from members of his own party.

At least three Democrats in the Senate and several more in the House are voicing opposition to a proposed regulation from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that would require about 8,500 gun dealers in four states – California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas – to report gun sales of two or more high-powered rifles sold within five consecutive business days."

Read the rest at the article.

Seems some of the bho admin just cannot put the damn kool-aid down. The dumbos in kongress are terrified of any clamp-down on anything firearms related, knowing full well they will be the ones who will pay for it at the next election

[MikeO]

The bombings, stabbings, etc arguments are still lame for the reasons already given.

You keep saying mag capacity doesn't make a difference when you know it does; that's why you want them.

If you can kill and wound as many as fast w 10 rounders as a hicap, you can defend yourself yourself and others just as well w 10 rounders too. So they will take 'em away just to look like they are doing something about the problem, and not feel bad about it.

It isn't crap you guys keep tripping yourself up on, it's the common sense of the common voter, most of which don't own guns.

Gonna be interesting to see how this shakes out. I'm guessing more gun control goes nowhere, but not cuzz the arguments are so good (from either side).

I'm done; we are just goin' 'round in circles now anyway.

[Sponsor]

[twyacht]

Stop being a troll MikeO, doesn't work here. Your shot down, in flames, and still won't bail out.

Try it on Glock Talk, or another forum, perhaps the Daily Kos, or Code Pink would be more supportive.

Either way, the new head of BATFE, Travers, is a Chicago, BHO "buddy" we'll see how hard they proceed to "enforce" what they can.

Tempest in the Teapot.

[tombogan03884]

The bombings, stabbings, etc arguments are still lame for the reasons already given.

You keep saying mag capacity doesn't make a difference when you know it does; that's why you want them.

If you can kill and wound as many as fast w 10 rounders as a hicap, you can defend yourself yourself and others just as well w 10 rounders too. So they will take 'em away just to look like they are doing something about the problem, and not feel bad about it.

It isn't crap you guys keep tripping yourself up on, it's the common sense of the common voter, most of which don't own guns.

Gonna be interesting to see how this shakes out. I'm guessing more gun control goes nowhere, but not cuzz the arguments are so good (from either side).

I'm done; we are just goin' 'round in circles now anyway.

You continue to base your arguments on ignorance . As it happens the pistols I own and carry are a 1911 and a S&W .357 neither would b effected by the limit you think is such a bright idea.
Just for sh!t's and grin's how do you intend to get some one to obey your mag limit when they have already decided to ignore all those laws against murder .   News flash for MikeO, criminals ignore laws, it's in their job description.  
What I do want, is to protect all our Constitutional rights from well intentioned dumb asses.

[Timothy]

I'll chime in here because I lived in a state that considered mags holding more than FIVE rounds to be considered HI-CAP and require a special license to possess. 

A state that limits the CITIZENS ability to own firearms based on their own misguided political opinions.

A state, that REFUSED to enforce the laws on the books that required a minimum of one year in prison for possession of an unlicensed firearm because they felt sorry for the minority who broke the law.

A state that didn't convict a bastard 15 year old for having a Glock in his home that his little bastard brother used to accidentally shoot another bastard child because it was a societal issue and not the fault of the bastard gangbanger!

A state, whose Governor, would rather allow the immigrant, gangbanging, shitbags run amok in his state while law abiding citizens Constitutional RIGHTS are reduced or removed for his own political gains!  I won't even mention "Mumbles Menino" who blames the gun every time someone used one illegally in Boston rather than the gangbanging shitbag!

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is not open for discussion......

[tombogan03884]

I'll chime in here because I lived in a state that considered mags holding more than FIVE rounds to be considered HI-CAP and require a special license to possess.  

A state that limits the CITIZENS ability to own firearms based on their own misguided political opinions.

A state, that REFUSED to enforce the laws on the books that required a minimum of one year in prison for possession of an unlicensed firearm because they felt sorry for the minority who broke the law.

A state that didn't convict a bastard 15 year old for having a Glock in his home that his little bastard brother used to accidentally shoot another bastard child because it was a societal issue and not the fault of the bastard gangbanger!

A state, whose Governor, would rather allow the immigrant, gangbanging, shitbags run amok in his state while law abiding citizens Constitutional RIGHTS are reduced or removed for his own political gains! I won't even mention "Mumbles Menino" who blames the gun every time someone used one illegally in Boston rather than the gangbanging shitbag!

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is not open for discussion......

You wouldn't be referring to the guy who replaced that other sh!tbag , AWB Romney , would you ?

[Timothy]

You wouldn't be referring to the guy who replaced that other sh!tbag , AWB Romney , would you ?

That would be correct!