24 Hours Later, The Anti Gun Legislation Proposal

[MikeBjerum]

Hey FQ -  I don't debate these details with the anti's.  I just point to the Second Amendment, I point at all they have denied us over the years, and I point out that the guns the founding fathers were protecting for individual ownership and use were the state of the art cutting edge weapons of the day.

We should be able to own automatics, mortars, suppressors, magazines of all sizes, what ever caliber is out there, body armor, etc.!  For those able to live in a state that allows more items, you should not be infringed with undo taxation called "stamps" to purchase items!

[TAB]

Hey FQ -  I don't debate these details with the anti's.  I just point to the Second Amendment, I point at all they have denied us over the years, and I point out that the guns the founding fathers were protecting for individual ownership and use were the state of the art cutting edge weapons of the day.

We should be able to own automatics, mortars, suppressors, magazines of all sizes, what ever caliber is out there, body armor, etc.!  For those able to live in a state that allows more items, you should not be infringed with undo taxation called "stamps" to purchase items!

doing stuff like that just makes the antis beleave even stronger that they are right and the other side has no arguments why they should not be banned.

[MikeBjerum]

Explain your thought TAB.  I'm pointing out that they have willy nilly taken away stuff for no good reason what so ever.  How does that make them stronger?

[tombogan03884]

doing stuff like that just makes the antis beleave even stronger that they are right and the other side has no arguments why they should not be banned.

F*ck the anti's.
That's why the laws in your state suck TAB, because you worry about the opinion of a small minority who's opinion you will never change. My answer to the "Anti's", If you try to take my gun I will kill you.
I will attempt to educate the uninformed but those who ignore facts, history, and common sense get no respect from me, nor do I play their game.

[MikeBjerum]

F*ck the anti's.
That's why the laws in your state suck TAB, because you worry about the opinion of a small minority who's opinion you will never change. My answer to the "Anti's", If you try to take my gun I will kill you.
I will attempt to educate the uninformed but those who ignore facts, history, and common sense get no respect from me, nor do I play their game.

You'd enjoy my replies to those that are either ignorant or trying to humor me and claim to accept guns for self defense and then go into the warning shot or shoot to wound thing.  You just haven't lived until you have seen the size of their eyes when you look at them and say "if all other avenues are exhausted and I believe the only way to protect my life is with a gun, I shoot to kill, and I don't stop shooting until they are on the ground."  "Once they are down and no longer a threat I kick their gun out of their reach."  Next will come the quivering voice that asks to verify one, two or three shots.  To which I reply "I don't prepare for any set number of shots.  I shoot until the are no longer a threat."  If they are still questioning I will discuss the facts of self defense and tools.  I will educate how in the stress of self defense nobody knows for sure how many shots they take as proven by critical incident stress debriefing with officers involved in shootings (they will swear they shot two or three rounds right after investigators picked up two of the officers empty mags and counted 37 casings where the officer was standing).

Debating and educating is not a boiler plate activity.  However, I have learned over the years that blunt honesty is the best mixed with a bit of less is more.  And I never agree to disagree!  Like Tom, if they push the ban I will leave them with the fact that if they come for my guns one person will have a gun and the other will be dead when it is over!

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[tombogan03884]

With increasing gun ownership and decreasing violent crime rates there is no legitimate defense of increased regulation beyond the promotion of a political agenda that defies the founding principles of the nation.
With reasonable people who are uniformed, or misinformed, I will reason. I will point them toward the same sources of information that I have used.
To the dedicated Anti gunner I will simply point out that the majority of my active duty service was aimed at training to kill people like them.

[TAB]

Explain your thought TAB.  I'm pointing out that they have willy nilly taken away stuff for no good reason what so ever.  How does that make them stronger?

Its kind of like saying, here look at this I don't want to talk to you.

both sides of gun control are ran on emotion, not facts, or logic.  emotion.

[billt]

Gun control is just another plank in the liberal / socialist platform of government that has failed miserably over the years. Much like Hussein, it has run out of support because people know the concept is flawed and it doesn't work. The more they push it, the more it seems to fail. It was reported last night that only 7% of the people believe the Tuscon shooting would not have occurred if there were stricter gun control laws in place. I was surprised the percentage of idiot's in this country was that low. Perhaps there is still hope? Bill T.

[MikeBjerum]

Gun control is just another plank in the liberal / socialist platform of government that has failed miserably over the years. Much like Hussein, it has run out of support because people know the concept is flawed and it doesn't work. The more they push it, the more it seems to fail. It was reported last night that only 7% of the people believe the Tuscon shooting would not have occurred if there were stricter gun control laws in place. I was surprised the percentage of idiot's in this country was that low. Perhaps there is still hope? Bill T.

It is all about control!  People want a sense of comfort, safety and security, but every day our world changes more and gets more hectic.  How often do people say their lives are out of control?  Gun control is all about trying to build walls of security around their lives.  They are scared and trying to feel secure.

What do young children do when they are frightened?  They hide under their covers, under their bed, in the closet, or under the kitchen sink (Christmas Story).  When mom and dad come in the room they express their fear and ask them to chase the "monsters" away.  Now they are fifty years old, hiding under the covers and begging the "nanny" to take the evil guns away.  All they want is to control their environment so they can feel safe and secure.

I know that it is pure fiction and it is the story of one man and one culture, but the parable as told in Demolition Man is an example of the falsehoods behind gun control and the dreams of utopia on this earth.  How different is this movie than the "promises and dreams" as presented by rulers and dictators that have waged war on their own people through out history.

[MikeO]

Yep. The slope is slippery...

If a 10 round limit is OK, why not 5?

If you can ban full auto guns made after a certain date, why not semi auto guns?

Can you require all gun owners to have liability insurance?

Is a license/registration to own OK? How much $ is too much for it?

Heller left a lot to be decided about which policy choices are on/off the table. Until the SCOTUS takes them off the table, they will keep coming up again and again here and there.