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Re: WYO to allow concealed carry w/o permit?
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2011, 08:38:22 AM »
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Re: WYO to allow concealed carry w/o permit?
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2011, 08:55:34 AM »
Sounds like good  numbers.

I guess all that is left is for the Gov. to sign it or veto it?

When is the Gov. up for re-election?  Are there enough votes to overturn a veto?

 
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Re: WYO to allow concealed carry w/o permit?
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2011, 09:02:36 AM »
Sounds like good  numbers.

I guess all that is left is for the Gov. to sign it or veto it?

When is the Gov. up for re-election?  Are there enough votes to overturn a veto?

 

Actually he just got elected. However he supports the bill, not to mention he FINALLY got us involved the lawsuit to repeal Obummercare. Something that most people here were screaming for.


Here is his webpage.
http://governor.wy.gov/Pages/default.aspx


So far I've been pleased with what he's doing. We will see if it continues.
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Re: WYO to allow concealed carry w/o permit?
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2011, 09:58:41 AM »
It would appear that those on your southern flank are like minded.
http://thedenverdailynews.com/article.php?aID=11579

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2011, 10:46:12 AM »
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/238982/gun-rights-bill-comes-under-fire

We have 2 competing bills up here.


Republican leaders and lawmakers are united in wanting to remove licensing requirements for individuals who carry concealed weapons. But a broad bill that would, among other things, allow guns in courthouses and place criminal penalties on law enforcement officers, has highlighted a fissure, even among gun rights activists.

House Speaker William O'Brien and House Majority Leader D.J. Bettencourt have asked freshman Rep. J.R. Hoell, a Dunbarton Republican, to withdraw his gun rights bill, calling it an "unacceptable risk" for New Hampshire residents.

"While I am a strong advocate for the state and federal constitutional right to own and carry firearms, including the right of constitutional carry, this legislation vastly exceeds any reasonable standard of an individual's right to bear arms," O'Brien said.

Four of the bill's nine co-sponsors have backed away from the legislation, and others say they want the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee to remove some of its provisions. House leaders say they will instead push for a narrower bill sponsored by Rep. Jennifer Coffey, an Andover Republican.

"Anytime you have to come out publicly against a member of your caucus it's an unpleasant, unwelcome development," Bettencourt said. "But we worked hard to get Rep. Hoell to appreciate the glaring flaws in his bill. It is unfortunate at the end of the day that we couldn't convince him that his bill as drafted simply wasn't responsible."

Hoell did not return calls for comment.

The core of both Hoell's and Coffey's bills is the principle of constitutional carry, which means anyone who has a right to own a gun has a right to carry it - either openly or concealed. Similar laws are in place in a handful of states including Alaska, Arizona and Vermont.

Under current law, anyone who is allowed to own a gun in New Hampshire can carry it openly without a license. But a person needs a license to carry concealed. Under state law, the four-year license costs $10 for a New Hampshire resident and is given by town or city officials to any "suitable person" with a "proper purpose," which includes fear of injury to person or property, hunting, target shooting and self-defense. Nonresidents can get licenses for $100.

Coffey's bill would let anyone who is allowed to own a gun carry openly or concealed, loaded or unloaded, on their person or in their car, without obtaining a license. It also states that nonresidents no longer need to obtain a license to carry a gun in New Hampshire.

Hoell's bill is much broader. Like Coffey's bill, it removes the licensing requirement for anyone who wants to carry concealed. (Both bills would include an optional licensing provision, to make it easier for gun owners to qualify for reciprocal out-of-state licenses.)

Hoell would extend the optional license time from four years to 10 years. He would also impose penalties on anyone who restricts gun rights. That includes arresting anyone who denies a person a gun license without justification. The bill would also require that a public official be charged with a misdemeanor and declared unqualified for public office if the official interferes with the right to carry - for example by stopping or detaining a person for carrying a firearm or other weapon for self-defense. Hoell would allow guns and deadly weapons in courtrooms. He would repeal the criminal penalty for selling or possessing blackjacks or brass knuckles.

Rep. Steve Cunningham, a Sunapee Republican and early co-sponsor of Hoell's bill, said he liked some concepts of the bill, but stopped supporting it because of the details.

"We have a very nice, very intelligent but freshman representative who apparently had in mind that getting bills passed is like good old Yankee horse trading," Cunningham said. "He purposefully put in things that were unreasonable in the hopes of trading down to what he thought was necessary."
For example, Cunningham does not support allowing guns in courtrooms.

Cunningham said Coffey's bill has some flaws with the wording, but a House committee can fix those.

"The problem with Mr. Hoell's bill was that it required so much of a rewrite that that is beyond the scope of a committee," Cunningham said.

One of the biggest issues that some pro-gun activists have with Hoell's bill is that it changes the definition of who is allowed to possess a firearm. It bans possession for convicted felons or those who are incarcerated or under court order in a mental institution. But it does not address children, illegal immigrants or someone who is the subject of a protective order because of domestic violence. While those prohibitions are included in federal law, the state and local police can only enforce federal laws if they are included in state statute.

"Unfortunately, Rep. Hoell's bill goes way beyond what I think is acceptable, to allow for a person who's been arrested for domestic abuse to carry," Coffey said.

Bettencourt said Hoell's bill would not allow the police to intercede when someone with mental health problems had a weapon - such as the alleged shooter of Arizona U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords - or if a child were using a weapon.

Republican Sens. Jeb Bradley of Wolfeboro, Tom DeBlois of Manchester and Gary Lambert of Nashua, who co-sponsored Hoell's bill, issued a joint statement that they cannot support Hoell's bill as introduced and would consider Coffey's bill.

Sen. Ray White, a Bedford Republican, said he stands by his sponsorship but hopes the committee will get rid of certain provisions.

"Even in the Wild West, you couldn't bring a gun into a courthouse," White said.

But the strong condemnation from House leaders has drawn some backlash. Rep. John Burt, a Goffstown Republican, said in a release sent out by the House Republican office that Hoell's bill "has some serious unintended consequences," and he would support Coffey's bill. Burt later retracted that statement and said he would support sending the bill to a committee and not withdrawing it.

"I just feel that if this or any other bill is removed because some may not like the context of a bill, we as representatives of this great state will be doing the voters a disservice," he said.

The discussion has also drawn attention to disputes between New Hampshire's various gun groups. Coffey and O'Brien are both advisers to the group Pro-Gun New Hampshire. Evan Nappen, general counsel for the group, is a strong supporter of Coffey's bill - and a critic of Hoell's. Nappen criticized Hoell's changes to the laws governing possession, and his lifting of the ban on guns in court. He also questioned Hoell's penalties on police officers.

"If someone was walking into a bank with an AK-47 in plain view, it would be a crime for that officer to interfere with the person's right to carry that firearm," Nappen said.

Nappen said the right to have any weapon for self-defense could allow a person to walk around with a hand grenade, and it would be illegal for the police to question him. Similarly, he said, the bill could allow children to bring guns to school and open law enforcement officers up to criminal prosecutions for trying to stop them.

"It's so overbroad, it creates these issues that I don't think politically and for safety, it's something we really want," Nappen said.

On the other hand, Alan Rice, treasurer of the New Hampshire Firearms Coalition, of which Hoell is a former board member, criticized Coffey's bill for making it harder for New Hampshire residents to get gun licenses out of state. He said Hoell's bill addresses the important issue of penalties for police officers or selectmen who "play fast and loose" with gun licensing laws. It also addresses the dangerous situation where people go to court and leave guns in their cars.
"Rep Hoell's bill creates true constitutional carry in New Hampshire," Rice said.

Rice said the bill deserves to be heard by a committee, without pressure from House leaders to withdraw it.

"I think that Bill O'Brien is running a legislative dictatorship," he said.

The national group Gun Owners of America also supports Hoell's bill. Michael Hammond of Dunbarton, a legislative adviser to the group, said the group likes Hoell's bill because it prohibits abuses by law enforcement. But Hammond said the group would support Coffey's bill as well.

Either bill is likely to draw condemnation from Democrats. Democratic Party spokesman Harrell Kirstein called both bills "dangerous and reckless."

"House Republicans have already exposed themselves as extremist with an anti-New Hampshire agenda," Kirstein said. "They aren't focused on jobs or the economy."

(Shira Schoenberg can be reached at 369-3319 or sschoenberg@cmonitor.com.)

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Re: WYO to allow concealed carry w/o permit?
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2011, 10:58:43 AM »
Just a quick reply to the Quaker' question: Since my somewhat unwilling participation in the Vietnam experience, neither in anger, nor in joy have I intentionally discharged any of my firearms knowingly in the direction of another human being. 

Have I ever considered it??? 

Well, this may be the only psychological commonality I share with Jimmah:  I too, have lusted in my heart...

...Sometimes as the result of comments read on these threads.

As to Cheney's situation... He should have gone hunting with Hillary.
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Re: WYO to allow concealed carry w/o permit?
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2011, 12:24:49 PM »
Guns are strictly for fun or immediate threats. For the ones you WANT to do bad things to ?
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Re: WYO to allow concealed carry w/o permit?
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2011, 01:44:10 PM »
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CHEYENNE — Wyoming residents could carry concealed guns without a permit under a bill that cleared its first hearing in the state House of Representatives on Wednesday.

The House voted 48-8 in favor of the bill after stripping off a proposed committee amendment that would have disallowed people from carrying concealed guns if they were too intoxicated to drive a vehicle. The bill already has passed the Senate and needs two more hearings in the House.

Rep. Jon Botten, R-Sheridan, spoke for the amendment that would have specified that anyone carrying a concealed weapon would be deemed to have given consent to a chemical test to see if they were under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

“I submit that the amendment is not directed at everyone,” Botten said. “It's directed at those who believe that getting intoxicated and carrying a weapon is a good thing. I haven't met anyone who's advocating for drunk people carrying guns, so I don't understand that criticism too much.”

Rep. Lisa Shepperson spoke against the amendment. She said there's a critical difference between state law that requires drivers to undergo chemical tests and seeking to require one for people carrying guns: driving is a privilege while carrying guns is a right.

“That's an infringement on our rights,” Shepperson said of the proposed amendment. “Just because we're carrying a concealed weapon, we have to give up some of our other basic rights?”

Rep. Allen Jaggi, R-Lyman, co-sponsor of the bill, started discussion of the bill by reading provisions from the state and federal constitutions that enumerate citizens' right to keep and bear arms. He said three states — Alaska, Arizona and Vermont — now allow citizens to carry guns without requiring permits.

If the bill passes, Wyoming still would continue to offer concealed-carry permits for citizens who want to carry their guns in other states under reciprocal agreements, Jaggi said. The permit system requires police background checks for applicants.

The House also defeated a proposed amendment sponsored by Rep. David Zwonitzer, R-Cheyenne, who proposed changing state law to allow people to carry concealed guns in schools, bars, government buildings and other places they're currently prohibited.

“I think it would be tremendously hypocritical of us to say that 'you can carry a concealed weapon any place you want, but you can't carry it into any of our meetings,'” Zwonitzer said of the Legislature.

The House defeated Zwonitzer's proposal after Jaggi and others said expanding the list of places where citizens could carry guns wasn't the purpose of the bill.

Rep. John Patton, R-Sheridan, also spoke against the bill. He related that when he was growing up, his father told him never to point a gun at anybody. He said it took him some time to realize that his father was concerned that if he did point a gun at anyone, he himself could get hurt or killed.

“I don't know about you guys, but I feel perfectly safe, and I never carry a concealed weapon,” Patton said.

Rep. Lorraine Quarberg, R-Thermopolis, spoke in favor of the bill. She said the House has passed it twice before, but it hasn't cleared the Senate.

“We have a very strong sense of protecting individual's rights, and in particular, Second Amendment rights,” Quarberg said of the House.

Quarberg said enacting the state's concealed carry permit system several years ago eroded citizens' rights by putting restrictions on their ability to carry guns. She said enacting the bill to allow concealed carry without a permit would restore the rights of all citizens.
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