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Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat
« on: January 22, 2011, 02:15:57 PM »
This is one of those things that, on the grand scheme of things, probably doesn't really amount to a fart in a whirlwind......but it looks bad....like they are trying to hide their agenda.......oh, wait......  ::)

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Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat

The House Democrats have banned reporters from the hotel where they are holding their annual retreat for three days this week. The Democratic Members of Congress are staying at the Hyatt Regency Chesapeake Bay Golf Resort, Spa and Marina in Cambridge, MD. The media, however, are staying at the Holiday Inn Express, which is almost two miles away.

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In contrast, the Republicans allowed the media to stay in the same hotel at their retreat last weekend in Baltimore, MD. Reporters had full and free access to the GOP Members throughout the Baltimore Marriott Waterfront, except for one floor designated for the Member-only meetings.  The Republicans often talked to the press in in the hotel lobby, dining areas, and on the elevators.

“Republicans have been very open and transparent about our goals for the 112th Congress -- we're going to cut government spending so that the economy can grow and create jobs,” said Laena Fallon, the press secretary to Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.)  “As such, we were happy to have the press join us at our annual retreat in Baltimore last week.”

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Re: Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2011, 02:40:55 PM »
They exclude the media every year, and yes it is to hide their agenda.

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Re: Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2011, 02:51:54 PM »
Oddly enough, I say good for them. The media is generally a good thing, but it is impossible to have a candid conversation if you are worried it will become a ten`second sound bite on Rush or Rachel Maddow. Do you honestly think the Founders could have drafted the Constitution (which was technically an act of rebellion) if they had CNN in the room or were worried about the debate showing up on youtube? I am all for transperancy in government, but sometimes folks need to meet behind closed doors, tell a few home truths and PC be damned.
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Re: Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2011, 03:38:44 PM »
Just cuz you wuz ejecated don't mean you learned nothin.
The Revolution that ended our political connection to England ended with the Treaty of Paris (1783)
The Constitution was finished in 1787, ratified in 1788, and went into effect on March 4, 1789.
It was a reorganization of an existing Independent Nation . There was no "(which was technically an act of rebellion)" involved.
The rest of your post is equally composed of BS. What happened to "The People have a right to know" ?
It's a whole different story when they are conspiring to lie to the population about things like how to spin the success of the surge in Iraq to make America look bad. Notice the Communists aren't saying anything about "unwinnable quagmire's" with BO abject failure in Afghanistan.

Oddly enough I'm not the only one who thinks college grads and their instructors are a bunch of dumb asses

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/many-students-learn-little-to-nothing-in-college-surprise/?singlepage=true

The recent study of 2,300 college students showing that half of them learn nearly nothing in the first two years is generating a lot of conversation. As someone who spent more than three decades in the professoriate, what surprises me is why this is news.

Certainly the students know this. We know this. The college administrators know this. Maybe, it’s only the parents who are suckered into thinking that the tens if not hundreds of thousands they are shelling out for a residential college education is really buying that.

Look — if your child did well in high school, got excellent SAT scores, and signed up for a demanding major, you have nothing to worry about, except the price tag. And if that’s not a problem, you can stop reading right here.

But plenty of you parents know you have children who rarely cracked a book, got mediocre high school grades, and really have no interest in the demands of a real college learning experience. They got into less demanding schools or curricula, or you’re paying out-of-state tuition money for the privilege of sending your kid someplace he couldn’t have gotten into if he lived in-state.

When you toured the campus and saw the surrounding bars and clubs, when you saw the campus shopping mall that was designed to look like Rodeo Drive, and when you toured the athletic facility that rivals an upscale sports club, did you pause to think that those were not assets to the pursuit of the life of the mind? Of course not! You were impressed. Did you forget that the monks preserved the learning of Western civilization?

I’ve been on the orientation tour with you, as the young man and young woman decked out in their school-spirit sweat shirts took you around the campus. And what kinds of questions did you ask? When you went to the library, you were inspired by the building. You asked not a word about the collection or the on-line computer stations. You wanted to know about the social life, the shopping, and how well the athletic teams were doing. When was homecoming, so you could plan your visit?

I remember when one set of parents asked how much people studied per class, what the intellectual demands were, and were there a lot of term papers in the liberal arts courses. The tour guides were dumbfounded, and the rest of you looked at this couple like they were the biggest bunch of party poopers. You kept some distance from these parents during the rest of the tour, as if they had a visible case of leprosy. Their son was an engineering major, and he did very well in school. By the way, they were sufficiently disgusted with the guides’ lack of intellectual concern that they wrote a letter about it to the faculty.

Your son probably ended up in my class. He was the kid who slouched in his chair and sat in the back entertaining himself with his Nintendo or cell phone. At least, that’s how he behaved when he bothered to show up for class. Sometimes he disrupted class by coming late and being sure to walk across the front of the lecture hall to draw attention to himself. I wished that on such occasions he had the grace to have pulled his Levis above his underwear. But that was too much to ask.

Of course, he got a degree.

We have to sit through lectures by our incomparable elected officials and our distinguished administrators telling us how many people the state needs by such and such a year with college degrees. We know how to give degrees. We’re good at that. But an education? Even God could not compensate for the lack of skills, the lack of interest, and the lack of raw talent your son brought to us. Social promotion is not restricted to high schools any more. After all, somehow we have to pay for all those buildings, athletic facilities, and shopping malls that so impressed you.

Now your son is carrying a load of debt that he can’t pay off, and he can’t find a meaningful job because he really has no skills that translate into the marketplace. He never committed himself to the discipline, rigor, and fortitude it takes to get a meaningful education. He didn’t know what to do with himself; you didn’t know what to do with him, and you thought he should have a college experience. He did, in the sense that four years of recreational sex, hard drugs, and bars that are open late into the night provided him with a college experience.

You would have been better off giving him the cash to invest and sending him to the Caribbean or Vegas for several weeks every year where he could have indulged his sexual appetites and legally smoked ganja. Financially you would have both been ahead. So too would we.

Now, we have an overly credentialed population carrying an enormous debt.

These are people who feel they deserve good-paying jobs. After all, the education establishment told them that having a college degree was worth millions. Well it is, if it is in the right subjects and you did well. A political science degree is not exactly equal to a degree in computer engineering, although the campus feminists are always grousing over how much less they are paid than males of equal rank and seniority. How convenient to forget that the liberal arts, which possess no competitive external marketplace, are dominated by women, and engineering, science, and mathematics are dominated by men.

The next financial bubble is out there. It is comprised of people like your son who are carrying enormous debt without any prospect of paying it off. They are going to default. It’s our fault, you say. Well, you say that now. But if we gave your son the grades he deserved you both would have screamed foul and due processed us to death. If your son is a member of some protected class, we would have had to defend against the accusation that we discriminated against him. Anyhow, he got more than he deserved, and the rest of us subsidized his education directly or indirectly with our tax dollars. Of course, you do know that we are going to have to pick up the defaults, just as we picked up the sub-prime mortgages.

Oh yes, if you think the statistic that half don’t learn anything in the first two years is terrible, how does this one grab you? After four years 36% did not experience significant educational improvement. And that statistic is worse than it appears, because at many institutions nearly half the students drop out after two years. So among the self-selected that continued, more than a third learned almost nothing in four years of college.

And if you controlled by academic major and prior preparation, you would find that these failures cluster. How? It’s easy enough to figure out, even if you never finished college.

But don’t worry. The system won’t change, not even after the defaults. There are too many vested interests that benefit from the system. Colleges are labor-intensive operations. They employ lots of people at all sorts of levels. In economic downturns, they expand their physical plants. And besides, parents want to see degrees, not failures. Students want the campus experience. Everyone needs to believe the myth, and we are as good as Elmer Gantry at selling it.

We continue to drain the intellectual capital of the rest of the world. That enables us to compensate for the abundance of people we produce who are without academic or economic skills. When the defaults come, we will print more money and maybe foreclose on a few for-profit institutions. There will be congressional hearings, a few scapegoats from the for-profit world, and a few horror stories about exploitative student loans. There will be an academic Enron and an academic Countrywide. When the smoke clears, the academic AIG will have bailed out the academic Goldman Sachs for one hundred cents on the dollar. And it will be business as usual.

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Re: Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2011, 03:52:39 PM »
Just cuz you wuz ejecated don't mean you learned nothin.
The Revolution that ended our political connection to England ended with the Treaty of Paris (1783)
The Constitution was finished in 1787, ratified in 1788, and went into effect on March 4, 1789.
It was a reorganization of an existing Independent Nation . There was no "(which was technically an act of rebellion)" involved.
The rest of your post is equally composed of BS. What happened to "The People have a right to know" ?
It's a whole different story when they are conspiring to lie to the population about things like how to spin the success of the surge in Iraq to make America look bad. Notice the Communists aren't saying anything about "unwinnable quagmire's" with BO abject failure in Afghanistan.
Actually, the framers were charged with reforming the Articles of Confederation, not replacing them. By doing so they not only exceeded their remit, but deposed the ones who had empowered them. Mind you, I'm glad they did, but don't think for a second that they were not driving wagons through what the Congress had asked of them. They aso made more than a few enemies along the way from states rights advocates who felt betrayed. That little argument wasn't settled until 1865, or maybe 1965 depending on how you look at it.
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Re: Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2011, 04:40:28 PM »
Oddly enough I'm not the only one who thinks college grads and their instructors are a bunch of dumb asses


Nope!

Only a blind man would fail to see the ignorance in the workforce under 40 years old these days.  Of course, there are exceptions but I've not met or worked with many.

Baby boomers, of which I am one, are retiring and taking their lifetimes experience with them.  Some young folks I work with don't even want me to spread my knowledge so they painfully make error after error, never learning from their own experiences.

"The same thing, over and over again, expecting a different result!"...

My kid chose to work rather than attend college as a child.  She's at least seven years past most of her HS classmates who attended state schools.  Now she's taking classes and has a vested interest in getting the grades.  If she get's less than a C, she has to pay for the class, above that, it's free.  Paid by her employer...

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Re: Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2011, 05:12:18 AM »
Out of curiosity, why is it that Baby Boomers have historically tended to distrust anybody not in their generation?  "Don't trust anybody over 30" has become "don't trust anybody under 40."  Feel free to look down on me simply because of my age, but know that when I see somebody like you describe, I can usually trace it back to something the person learned by example from his parents or a lack of parenting.

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Re: Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2011, 08:34:10 AM »
I have a question that nobody else has asked, up to this point:

Inasmuch as this hotel is (allegedly) PRIVATELY owned, who the hell are these politicians to say that the media isn't allowed to stay there?  Unless the rent every room in the freaking hotel (which they probably did, with MY money, no less) they have NO say in who the hell stays there.

And the description of the Republicans "ALLOWING" the media to stay at the same hotel during their meetings.......who the hell are they to ALLOW any citizen of this country to stay in any goddamn hotel they please?!? 

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2011, 08:35:15 AM »
Out of curiosity, why is it that Baby Boomers have historically tended to distrust anybody not in their generation?  "Don't trust anybody over 30" has become "don't trust anybody under 40."  Feel free to look down on me simply because of my age, but know that when I see somebody like you describe, I can usually trace it back to something the person learned by example from his parents or a lack of parenting.

It's certainly true that the Boomer generation bred the current crop of 20-30 somethings.

Some of us manage to instill a work ethic into their children and provide the basis for a lifetime of hard work.  There wasn't anything given in my family, we worked or went without.  My daughter is a shining example of how well that system works.  My parents instilled a work ethic in me that I've passed on to my child.

There certainly are exceptional young people out there but living in the Northeast, you have to wade through the chaff to find them!  When I moved here, I was very young man of 25 but I worked hard and played hard and never asked for anything

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Re: Media Banished From Democrats' Retreat
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2011, 12:24:01 PM »
Out of curiosity, why is it that Baby Boomers have historically tended to distrust anybody not in their generation?  "Don't trust anybody over 30" has become "don't trust anybody under 40."  Feel free to look down on me simply because of my age, but know that when I see somebody like you describe, I can usually trace it back to something the person learned by example from his parents or a lack of parenting.

I don't think it is a matter of "age" per se. It is more a matter of the steadily increasing amount of Socialist influenced indoctrination.
If it were strictly age related the generation that elected Obummer could not function with an all volunteer military.

 

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