Ok this is what pisses me off about financial aid

[TAB]

I have a relative that is going to community college... now she has zero living expenses, as she lives at home.

She is getting $4500 a semister to go to said commuinty college.

I did the math, after you subtract fees, books and the discounted bus pass, she is making $24.30/hr for every hour she is in school.


I qualfied for a grant my last semister at sac state, it was like for $50 bucks so I didn't even bother.



We need to stop this shit.

[mkm]

What kind of financial aid is it?  I worked hard in high school/college and was rewarded with multiple scholarships throughout my college career.  I actually looked forward to tuition being due because I got a refund of several hundred dollars plus, depending on the amount of scholarships for that year.  I don't think it's unfair for someone who works hard and gets awarded scholarships to not get the full amount they are awarded.

[twyacht]

Scholarships and grants are one thing. Especially if she has the academic record to back it up. Student Loans are another.

My wife's daughter, graduated from John's Hopkins University with a Masters, and now is in Dental School. Honor Roll the entire time.

Had grants, scholarships, and family paying.

Still owes, almost $50,000 in student loans.,...

In school tuition, loopholes, who you know, can go a long way.  After all the "trickle down" effect comes in the form of endowments, which is a fancy term for taxpayer money.

[TAB]

Scholarships and grants are one thing. Especially if she has the academic record to back it up. Student Loans are another.

My wife's daughter, graduated from John's Hopkins University with a Masters, and now is in Dental School. Honor Roll the entire time.

Had grants, scholarships, and family paying.

Still owes, almost $50,000 in student loans.,...

In school tuition, loopholes, who you know, can go a long way.  After all the "trickle down" effect comes in the form of endowments, which is a fancy term for taxpayer money.

don't get me started on student loans... my wife went to stanford, for both under grad and medical school all on loans.  600k when she was done.  more then half her gross goes to pay them off.

I'm talking about just grants, in the OP.  I never got any, I worked my ass off all the way thru school.

[twyacht]

Based on all the famous TV interviews, about current affairs, politics, history, on so called "top shelf" universities,.....the student body, or should I say the parents, or Gov't schools, or whoever is footing the bill for a "college education" are getting shafted.

When $45,000-$60,000 can't even get an answer on what country did America fight to gain Independence?

Well,.......

They keep restructuring the grants and copies of parents tax returns, etc,..., including the big "Pell". My son hits college in 3 years. It's in state NC tuition rates, or I'll be selling guns to get em through.

Don;t get me started on college books.... Worse than a pawn shop.

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[mkm]

I have to agree that I don't understand grants.  Growing up, and still for that matter, my family was far from "wealthy."  We didn't do without, but there is no way I could have gone to college without scholarships.  I checked on a grant and my understanding of the results was that I should recieve the generous amount of $XXXX but my parents' made a little too much money; so, I would get $0.00 instead.

Thankfully, I didn't have to deal with loans or out-of-state tuition (3x in-state) and graduated owing nothing.  I have to pay mysterious activities fees as a grad student, but thankfully my project covers my out-of-state tuition and stipend. 

Books are ridiculous.  I always reccommend waiting till after the first day of class to make sure the prof will actually require them.  Sometimes, you can check them out of the library or find them cheaper online.  They are still insanely expensive to buy, and you get virtually nothing for selling them back.

What I don't fully understand is how the racket of standardized tests (ACT, SAT, GRE, etc) are allowed to continue.  You have no choice but to take them to get into various levels of college. They are expensive, and, if you need additional copies of your score or your score sent to another University, you have to pay again.

[PegLeg45]

Scholarships and grants are one thing. Especially if she has the academic record to back it up. Student Loans are another.

My wife's daughter, graduated from John's Hopkins University with a Masters, and now is in Dental School. Honor Roll the entire time.

Had grants, scholarships, and family paying.

Still owes, almost $50,000 in student loans.,...

In school tuition, loopholes, who you know, can go a long way.  After all the "trickle down" effect comes in the form of endowments, which is a fancy term for taxpayer money.

Heck, for what dental work costs these days, a few fillings and a root canal and she'll be in the black.     

Like mkm, I never qualified for grants because my dad made just above the cut-off numbers.....but, that's OK...I worked part time and most weekends to pay my way...and was glad of it.

[twyacht]

Liberal academia, (predominately)..........what else should we expect from the "business" end of "higher' education.

Yet, tuition, continues to go UP just about like clockwork....at exponentially higher rates than inflation.

Kinda makes you go Hmmm....Again, the best money can buy,....

Don't taze me bro....

they learn so much,....

[Timothy]

This is like giving tax refunds to people that don't pay taxes.

Stupid.....

I say skip college, get into a trade and if your company offers tuition reimbursement, take advantage of it.  You're older, more vested in learning something and there's generally a handsome bonus or salary increase at the end.  It takes longer, granted, but you will get more out of the education because it's not just about beer bongs and getting laid...

[r_w]

This is like giving tax refunds to people that don't pay taxes.

Stupid.....

I say skip college, get into a trade and if your company offers tuition reimbursement, take advantage of it.  You're older, more vested in learning something and there's generally a handsome bonus or salary increase at the end.  It takes longer, granted, but you will get more out of the education because it's not just about beer bongs and getting laid...

But, but, but....

Where will you get your brainwashing indoctrination?