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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2011, 10:57:10 PM »
Have a safe trip Deepwater.

I think we are looking at some serious issues ahead as foreign policy is ignored by those in charge who are burying their heads in the sand and not dealing with the muslim extremism. I see our children and children's children dealing with these religious idiots if they do not stop them in their tracks now...

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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2011, 09:10:09 AM »
Well the military is in charge, and I just read that they have suspended the Egyptian parliment and constitution (such as they were). The People of Egypt are ecstatic.

Isn't there something about the road to hell being paved with good intentions?
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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2011, 09:22:54 AM »
CJ, Where is your faith in "Hope and Change" ?    ;D

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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2011, 10:17:37 AM »
CJ, Where is your faith in "Hope and Change" ?    ;D

Been there, done that.  keep the change.
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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2011, 05:46:42 PM »
Remember the society that is under control of the military. They are not like us Infidel/Americans who wouldn't tolerate a military state, they are a society, just like Iraq was, that was brought up under the thumb of stiff, dictatorial rule.

For them, the military is a good thing. It IS the law of the land that has a finite amount of tolerance. They should be so lucky as the military, is granting future elections for new leadership.

History, has proven otherwise.

Plus, they have a large amount of OUR hardware, and the citizens know it....Although the pics I've seen, still have the foot soldier with an AK.... ::)
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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2011, 07:42:20 PM »
They are still using AK's because there is no money for us in giving them rifles in the Aid Packages. They get Patrol boats, Air defense systems, and stuff like that. You all seem to think about   $1.5 Billion like it was going into your gun safe. Wake up, That much money would fill a good size warehouse.

http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/corporate/dd/afghanmil.html

l F-14 Tomcat
This fighter plane has been performing daily strikes against Afghanistan.
Contractor: Northrop Grumman Aerospace Corporation
Unit Cost: $38 million

l F-15 Eagle
All weather and extremely maneuverable, this tactical fighter is designed for aerial combat. Its bombing missions in Afghanistan cost about $4,500 an hour(5).
Contractor: McDonnell Douglas Corp. (now part of Boeing)
Unit Cost: $38 million

l F-15E Strike Eagle
A dual-role fighter designed to perform air-to-air and air-to-ground missions, this plane is designed to fight at low altitude, day or night, and in inclement weather.
Builder: McDonnell Douglas Corp. (now part of Boeing)
Unit cost: $31.1 million

l F-16 Fighting Falcon
A compact, multi-role fighter, this aircraft is designed for air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack. Since Operation Enduring Freedom began, the F-16 has been sold to Oman, which had waited 15 years for the green light on its order of 12 planes (6) . Israel also doubled its order of F-16s to 102 in October, a sale worth more than $2 billion to Lockheed Martin (7).
Builder: Lockheed Martin Corp.
Unit cost: F-16A/B , $30.1 million
F-16C/D, $34.3 million (2000 dollars)

l UH-60 Black Hawk
In 1993, in Somalia a Black Hawk helicopter was shot down and the 18 U.S. soldiers aboard were killed. Despite this, the Black Hawk remains a workhorse of the Army helicopter fleet, used for multiple jobs such as taking commandos to their targets and giving officers an airborne command center. In Afghanistan in early October, a Black Hawk flown by Special Operations Forces on their way to a mission crashed in Pakistan (10).
Contractor: Sikorsky
Unit Cost: $11 million

l MH-53J/M Pave Low
This heavy-duty helicopter is capable of flying long distances. Special Operations Forces use it. Thus far, one Pave Low helicopter has crashed in bad weather in Afghanistan (11).
Builder: Sikorsky
Unit Cost: $40 million

l AH-64 Apache
This helicopter’s first mission was "Operation Just Cause," the 1989 raid on Panama. During the initial attack, six helicopters broke down, their electronics systems too sensitive for the Central American humidity, according to a post-mission review by congressional investigators (12).
The Apache is capable of carrying 16 Hellfire anti-tank missiles, 76 Hydra anti- personnel rockets, and 1,200 rounds of armor-piercing ammo. The Boeing Company delivered 937 AH-64A Apaches- 821 to the U.S. Army and 116 to international customers, including Egypt, Greece, Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates- between 1984 and 1997 (13).
Contractor: Boeing
Unit Cost: $14. 5 million

l AH-1W Super Cobra Helicopter
An earlier version of this attack helicopter logged more than a million flight hours in Vietnam (14). In Afghanistan, the helicopters helped the Marines establish a forward operating base.
Manufacturer: Bell Helicopter Textron
Unit Cost: $10.7 million

l OH-58D Kiowa Warrior
This Scout Helicopter performs reconnaissance, security, command and control and targeting.
Contractor: Bell Helicopter
Cost:

‹ REFUELING, RECONNAISSANCE AND DRONES

l C-130 Hercules
This enormous and powerful plane transports troops and equipment, and is able to land on dirt runways. More than 2,200 C-130s have been sold to 60 nations around the world.
Contractor: Lockheed Martin
Unit Cost: C-130E, $11.9 million
C-130H, $30.1 million
C-130J, $48.5 million (FY 1998 constant dollars)

l E-3 Sentry (AWACS)
An airborne warning and control system (AWACS), this aircraft provides all-weather surveillance, command, control and communications.
Contractor: Boeing
Unit Cost: Approximately $300 million

l AGM-114 Hellfire Missile
Short-range, laser-guided, air-to-surface missile. The Hellfire missile is used on the Army Apache and Marine Corps Super Cobra helicopters. The unmanned Predator drone is also armed with Hellfire missiles.
Contractor: Lockheed Martin
Unit Cost: $40,000 (18).

l M-220 TOW Anti-Tank Missile
This Guided missile weapon system is known for its "fire and forget" capabilities. Current versions can penetrate more than 30 inches of armor and launch 3 missiles in 90 seconds.
Manufacturer: Raytheon
Unit Replacement Cost: $180,000 (19)

l Javelin Anti-Tank Missile
Javelin is a portable antitank weapon. It is shoulder-fired and can also be installed on vehicles.
Contractor: Raytheon/Lockheed Martin JAVELIN Joint Venture.
Unit Cost: Approximately $100,000

l CBU-87 Cluster Bomb
The United States has dropped about 600 cluster bombs since the war in Afghanistan began (29). Cluster bombs are 1,000-pound munitions that break into 202 bomblets. Each bomblet breaks into 300 fragments of steel. The fragments can covers a football field. The bombs are used against 'soft targets,' meaning people. Unexploded munitions are a concern because the bomblets are bright yellow and attractive to children".(30).
Manufacturer: Alliant Techsystems
Unit Cost: about $14,000 (31)

l CBU-89 Cluster Bomb
CBU-89 Gator
The U.S. CBU-89/B is the latest cluster bomb in the family of scatterable mines (32). The dispenser holds 72 anti-armor mines and 22 anti-personnel mines. These mines arm immediately upon impact. The GATOR has two integrated kill mechanisms, a magnetic influence fuze to sense armor, and deployed trip wires that activate when personnel walk on or disturb it (33).
Manufacturer: Alliant Techsystems
Unit Cost: about $40,000 (34)

‹ SYSTEMS POTENTIALLY BEING USED BY THE U.S.

l AGM-65 Maverick
This tactical, air-to-surface guided missile is designed for close air support, interdiction and defense suppression mission.
Contractors: Raytheon
Unit Cost: $17,000 to $110,000

l AGM-88 HARM Missile
This high-speed antiradiation missile (HARM) is an air-to-surface tactical missile designed to seek and destroy enemy radar-equipped air defense systems.
Contractor: Texas Instruments
Unit Cost: $200,000 (35)

l AGM-86C Cruise Missile
The AGM-86B air-launched cruise missiles and AGM-86C conventional air-launched cruise missiles are deployed on B-52 bombers.
Contractor: Boeing
Unit Cost: $1 million (36)

http://www.ask.com/web?l=dis&o=15492&qsrc=2873&q=Cost+of+weapon+systems

This site did not cover things like Coastal defense Sonar systems or Air traffic control systems. But you aren't buying them with sofa change either. That shit adds up.

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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2011, 08:19:05 PM »
l F-14 Tomcat
This fighter plane has been performing daily strikes against Afghanistan.
Contractor: Northrop Grumman Aerospace Corporation
Unit Cost: $38 million

Not bad for an airplane that was retired five years ago.   ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat

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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2011, 09:16:43 PM »
Since when are TOW missiles fire and forget? It's Tube-launched Optically-tracked Wire-guided.
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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2011, 09:29:58 PM »
The F-14 is outdated. What I don't get is why it is the only platform to launch the phoenix air to air missile. The damn thing has a range of 90 miles. :o That is a game changer if ever there was one. Why can't the F-18s load them (and yes I know, the nose of the F-14 is basically a giant radar), still, you'd think we would have updated the missle with the the leaps and bounds in software. :P
Anyway, I agree with the larger point. Most of the military aid we have given to client states in the past has gone to crap they don't need. They buy Ferraris when what they need is an F-150. Its good for General Dynamics and Pratt and Whitney, but not so good for our strategic interests or regional stability. Hell, most of our clients would be better served with Hueys, M113s and AKs than Blackhawks, ARs and Bradleys, but thats not the way the game is played. :-\
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Re: Egyptian Prediction ???
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2011, 09:40:45 PM »
I'm a little rusty on the history since most of it came from the History Channel and I don't feel like looking it up right now, but I think providing these countries with big ticket items is a way of providing aid while hedging our bets.  When the Afghanies were fighting Soviets, we provided them supplies, small arms, handheld rockets, etcs.  Now, we're fighting against those same weapons.  On the other hand, we provided Iran with a fleet of jets.  They became our enemy and lost technical support, parts, and aid.  Iran now has a fleet of brand new, useless, jets.  Provide a country with jets while they're on our side; if they flip, they still have the jets, but can't do anything with them.

 

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