Egyptian Prediction ???

[tombogan03884]

We provided the Afghans with tens of thousands of Chinese AK's and RPG's for use against the Soviets. (So much for "Socialist Brotherhood"    )

What we provided to Iran were those same F-14's that FQ is so enamoured of.  
Most have been grounded for over 20 years since the only way to get parts was on the Black market, and once they were retired that source dried up.

FQ, to answer your question about the Pheonix, After it was introduced incidents like the airliner shot down by the USS Vincennes led to a change in engagement rules requiring visual ID of targets. That made the big, heavy Pheonix pretty much a waste of payload since its biggest advantage could no longer be used. Also, the AIM 9 series had a much better hit ratio, was smaller and much lighter.

[jnevis]

If any of you think for a minute that Iranian’s don't have the know how to employ the weapons systems we gave them , you sirs are kidding yourself.   Sure the Grumman reps disabled sections of the radar and other systems as they left but the Iranians reverse engineered the systems and got them operational again.   Collectively we underestimate thier technical ability, like thy're hillbillies.   Yes, the number of flyable aircraft is reduced but they are still out there.  They used teh Tomcats as mini-AWACs against the Iraqis the whole time.

 BTW every couple years you hear of an arrest of someone more than willing to sell Irianian sources Tomcat parts from the Boneyard.  What they can't buy the manufacture themselves, or use parts they can get to replace it.  They have a lot of European/Russian equipment that they have figured out how to shoe horn into American F-4s, F-14s and other equipment.

The problem with the Phoenix is it's large and fairly unsophisticated by todays standards.  It was designed to be used against bomber formations outside of cruise missile range.  We don't fight those wars anymore (although we should still have the capability too, but that's another thread).  The Tomcat could carry 6 AIM-45 and 2 AIM-9s for a long range combat load.  When they took them off the ship they were carrying 2 AIM-9 and 6 AIM-7/AIM-120 .  A Super Hornet can carry 2 AIM-9 and 12 AIM-120 for a strictly air defense role.  Legacy Hornets 2 AIM-9, 6 AIM-120.

[r_w]

FQ, to answer your question about the Pheonix, After it was introduced incidents like the airliner shot down by the USS Vincennes led to a change in engagement rules requiring visual ID of targets. That made the big, heavy Pheonix pretty much a waste of payload since its biggest advantage could no longer be used. Also, the AIM 9 series had a much better hit ratio, was smaller and much lighter.

You are applying our ROE's and morals to them.  Potentially deadly mistake. 

Just like MB's discussions on violent criminal actors or applying logic to chaos systems...

[tombogan03884]

You are applying our ROE's and morals to them.  Potentially deadly mistake. 

Just like MB's discussions on violent criminal actors or applying logic to chaos systems...

No, I'm applying our ROE to us, the question was "why didn't WE mount the Phoenix on any other aircraft".

[crusader rabbit]

Anybody else notice what is happening in Iran at the moment? 

This Egyptian/Tunisian thing seems to be catching on.  Watch the dominoes fall.  See the mullahs use them like Lego's to build their caliphate.  The great mass of Middle-East fecal material is about to collide with the rotating air oscillation system.  It's going to get a bit messy.

If you can't afford much more, start buying dry beans and rice in 5-gallon nitrogen purged buckets.  They'll provide carbs and protein as well as enough fiber to keep you mooooving.

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[tombogan03884]

I posted a thread asking if any one thought Obummer would support the voice of those people as well.
It was pure sarcasm since we all know that POS only supports those who, like him and his wife, hate America.

[fightingquaker13]

Frankly this mess is as big threat to Iran as anybody else. They almost had a revolution a few years back. They are trying desperatley to stay ahead of it by claiiming its modeled after the Iranian revolution. Thats a bunch BS and the Iranians know it. They have the same problesms everyone else over there does. A young popu;ation, high unemployment a corrupt regime led by brutal old farts that no one belives any more. Its as likely to happen in Tehran as in Cairo, it will just be a lot bloodier if it does.
FQ13

[billt]

Anybody else notice what is happening in Iran at the moment?  

This Egyptian/Tunisian thing seems to be catching on.  Watch the dominoes fall.  See the mullahs use them like Lego's to build their caliphate.  The great mass of Middle-East fecal material is about to collide with the rotating air oscillation system.  It's going to get a bit messy.

If you can't afford much more, start buying dry beans and rice in 5-gallon nitrogen purged buckets.  They'll provide carbs and protein as well as enough fiber to keep you mooooving.

I will translate for those who might not be able to decipher Crusaders well thought out statement.

1.) The ragheads are getting restless worldwide.

2.) What happened in Egypt is likely to happen in other predominately raghead countries where the bulk of the younger population would rather buy CD's and wear designer jeans, rather than be flopping on their knees, listening to that guy play that wire while they pray instead of chasing babes.

3.) The $h!t is about to hit the fan, big time!

4.) If you are poor, stock up on beans and rice so you'll be able to $h!t into the fan at the proper time!     Bill T.

[Ulmus]

Good translation.   

[JC5123]

Just don't forget band aids in case your arse gets a little to close to said fan.