Using the AK for HD? Maybe not a good idea.

[twyacht]

Certainly an ND with a loaded AK, in an apt. is STUPID.  However, I think an AK for HD, in the right home environment, is more than adequate.

Not white picket fence, cookie cutter neighborhoods, but rural settings for sure.

Than there's this.

Loaded with trap, #6-7 shot,.....well...

[warhawke]

Living in a trailer-park I am very conscious of the fact my rounds will go through the walls, down the road and through the next guys home, which is why I keep my AK loaded with frangible's. I keep one mag of these puppies as my ready mag and keep hollow-points in the other 8 (not as good at that but if I don't stop things with 30 the neighbors had better have figured it out and unassed this AO).  

I stopped using the light weight shot in my HD shotguns after I found a number of cases where the pellets didn't incapacitate the offender quickly enough to stop the fight. The Detroit PD shooting has reinforced this as the perp was using #7 on the cops and failed to make a single kill, even when he hit unarmored targets.  

[fightingquaker13]

Certainly an ND with a loaded AK, in an apt. is STUPID.  However, I think an AK for HD, in the right home environment, is more than adequate.

Not white picket fence, cookie cutter neighborhoods, but rural settings for sure.

Than there's this.

Loaded with trap, #6-7 shot,.....well...

I wouldn't want to explain it a South Florida jury, but damned if it doesn't look like it would get your point across. "Are you A-holes still here? Because I've got another 40 rounds or so". I'd load with number 2s or BB, not number 6s though if you want to use bird shot. You've got fewer pellets for less spread and more chance of doing fight stopping damage. More penetration, but I think the trade off in the sheer amount of projectiles you are throwing downrange would balance out. But then, that's just me, I could be wrong.
FQ13 who will resist temptation, but damn, the isea of a Saiga with a drum does have a certain appeal doesn't it?

[tombogan03884]

FQ, Generally the Saiga drums cost more than the gun.
And on the #6 shot,3 things.  It was on sale, With a max range in the Apt of 10 yards spread is not an issue, The Lathe, and horse hair plaster means it is still light enough not to kill my neighbors by accident.

[warhawke]

Tom;
Even though the mass x velocity squared is the same at the muzzle as say 00 buck, you would be surprised just how fast small shot bleeds energy, the small mass of each pellet reduces energy retention drastically. I myself used to think that the 30 feet which was the maximum distance in my house was not a huge difference, I was wrong. What we really need is a good frangible shotgun round (which I am working on right now, since this got me started) with multiple projectiles that would retain energy while moving through the air but fragment and lose energy rapidly upon impact with light cover like a sheet of drywall. 

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[RevLouM]

Tom;
Even though the mass x velocity squared is the same at the muzzle as say 00 buck, you would be surprised just how fast small shot bleeds energy, the small mass of each pellet reduces energy retention drastically. I myself used to think that the 30 feet which was the maximum distance in my house was not a huge difference, I was wrong. What we really need is a good frangible shotgun round (which I am working on right now, since this got me started) with multiple projectiles that would retain energy while moving through the air but fragment and lose energy rapidly upon impact with light cover like a sheet of drywall. 

Indeed!  At the distance in the video, it hit "pretty much" like a frangible projectile.  At six to sixteen feet. it would be like getting hit with a (lethal) truck, two baseball bats, and a sledgehammer.  Center-of-mass hit on target at that range would be almost IMMEDIATELY fatal, and carry little-to-none in the collateral department.

I don't live in the "picket-fence" zone, I am "out there", and the #6 is my preference.

[twyacht]

Rob Pincus, back in Valhalla days had a great DVD segment on this, complete with sheetrock walls, hallways, adjoining rooms etc,...

One would be surprised even how much penetration occurs, even with a .38.

I wonder if it's here at the DRTV archives, or if Rob can post a link. It was very informative, from 38 to 45, to 12g...

[Ichiban]

Are you talking about the one Watchman posted on the first page of this thread?  Looks like bird shot is the way to go if you want to keep it contained to just a couple of rooms.

[twyacht]

Are you talking about the one Watchman posted on the first page of this thread?  Looks like bird shot is the way to go if you want to keep it contained to just a couple of rooms.

Very similar, with identical results, Rob, was at an indoor range, and used a couple more rounds including a 38 and a 357.

The result is a 12g with some form of shot, will be quite effective at an SD range.

I would have liked to see an AK round used in the demo,....larger, heavier, not as fast as a .223, but to the OP, it covered two apt. units and lodged in the bathroom...

[RevLouM]

Than there's this.

(snip)

Loaded with trap, #6-7 shot,.....well...

In the shotgun, even with only 8 rds, I use a mix.  I actually keep an L-T-L rubber ball, (from ALS), in the pipe as a "persuader" for larger animals that come into the yard.  After that 3 rds of #6.  After THAT, it's Centurion buck-&-ball.  If necessary, I can de-load the three bird-shot in a bit of a hurry to get to the B-&-B for anything in the yard.  Mind you, that's after MANY HOURS of "train, train, and when you think you've GOT IT, train some more".