RIA .22TCM

[McGyver]

200 yds. off-hand, on a 2ft. steel plate? REALLY? WWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!

This is awesome stuff. I just hope they beefed up the chamber and frame to compensate.

http://gunsforsale.com/ghg/2011/02/08/22-tcm-pistol-review-coming/

[NYPD13]

Does anyone plan on manufacturing ammo for this thing or will we have to hand load it?

[McGyver]

According to the article, Armscor will manufacture the ammo at a "slightly"  higher price than normal .223 rounds.

[fightingquaker13]

Ok, not to pee in the punch bowl, but why? What's the point? Shooting an iron target at 200 yards is cool. So is shooting a sub 1" bullseye at 10 meters with an Olympic class air pistol. The question is does this round have any crossover application to either hunting or SD? If not, its a neat toy for a specialized game and there is nothing wrong with that. If it doesn't though, I don't see this going anywhere fast as most folks won't buy a pistol dedicated to a wild cat cartridge with a very narrow application.
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[McGyver]

I'm sure SOMEONE will come up with one!  I think it's pretty cool to reach out and touch someone at that distance with a short-barrelled 1911!  To a tupperware user, it's just another 1911.   

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[fightingquaker13]

I'm sure SOMEONE will come up with one!  I think it's pretty cool to reach out and touch someone at that distance with a short-barrelled 1911!  To a tupperware user, it's just another 1911.   

Yep! Seriously, for most of us what we ask of a pistol or revolver is that it will put man or beast down at 100 feet and under. That means a 4" group from ten feet to ten yards. Anything beyond that is gravy and falls under the heading of a speciallty application. There is nothing wrong with this. Hunting, iron target shooting, airgun shooting etc. are all great reasons to own a gun and they are a fun way to spend an afternoon. But they are not applications that will sell a lot of guns as most of us aren't willing to shell out for high dollar guns to do these jobs. It seems like a very neat pistol and I would love to shoot one. I do not however, think that I will be spending a premium to buy one and I doubt that you will ever see ammo for less than a buck a round, if that.
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[tombogan03884]

Small to medium game, Bulls eye shooting.  As for mass production ammo ? have to wait and see on that.
As for SD applications, I say no, but I believe in big holes bleeding faster and think the FN 5.7 is a waste of ammo resources.

[fightingquaker13]

As for SD applications, I say no, but I believe in big holes bleeding faster and think the FN 5.7 is a waste of ammo resources.

Agreed. When I bought my first real pistol at 22 years of age, I had to choose between a 1911, a Hi-Power or a G-17. That was about the  limit in '93 with the exception of the Berreta  M-92 which I really don't like (just personal preference, nothing wrong with the gun). Basically, I went Glock because 17 is a bigger number than 8 and I figured that while one .45 was better than one 9mm, two or three 9mms was better than one .45. 17 years later I still don't know which is the right answer, but I still distrust small caliber high velocity rounds for in your face SD situations. I want great big messy holes, not small clean ones. If I had it to do over again and Glock made a .45 at the time, I'd probably  have gone that route. As it is, I will use the 9mm, but that's about as small as I'll go. I am periodically tempted by small .380s and .32s, but ultimately I just don't trust them to save my ass at bad breath distances. The same is doubly true of whiz bang .22 variants. I'll leave the P-90s to SG-1 and .22 TCM to those who have serious issues with woodchucks waaaay over there beyond the horizon and put my trust in larger calibers.
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[tombogan03884]

Back in those days the only 45's were 1911's .
The Automag and Desert Eagle were available, but not to some one on a budget, and ammo was pricey too.
So your choices were pretty much limited to Semi auto, 1911 or "Wondernine" or a .357 Revolver.

[fightingquaker13]

Back in those days the only 45's were 1911's .
The Automag and Desert Eagle were available, but not to some one on a budget, and ammo was pricey too.
So your choices were pretty much limited to Semi auto, 1911 or "Wondernine" or a .357 Revolver.

That's it in a nutshell. I initially went with a 4' Python in .357 and traded it in on the Glock because I panicked in the the lead up to the AWB. Still, my stupidity aside, as far as pistols, the Glock stood out for two reasons. The first was that it had no manual safeties to fumble and no mag disconnect. The second was the high capacity mag. My first impulse was to buy the Hi-power, but the idiot proof action on the Glock sold me.I am a firm beliver in the power of Murphy, and figure that in a high stress situation he will make an appearance. Therefore, anything I can do to limit his influence is a good thing. Again, had a .45 been available I'd have owned it. As it is, I've been well served by the Glocks I've had. They are boringly reliable, and while I do miss that Python, if I am being honest, I can't find a bad word to say about the G-17 I replaced it with, or the G-19 and G-26 that wound up following it. They may have no soul, but damn if they don't work. And really, what more do want from a handgun?
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