CCW helps you get through security!

[JC5123]

no I mean nation wide, people generally support back ground checks.  Back ground checks are not going to go away. so it should go in, drop your cash on the counter, they make the call, walk out.

Is that not considered cash and carry? It sounded to me like you were talking about waiting periods? So do you also support licensing every firearm you own?

I have never licensed any weapon that I have. Nor will I.

As much as I am torn about this, on principle I think that once you have served your sentence even a felon should be able to go purchase a firearm. Go on with your moral objections, but once you are released from prison, and served your parole, your rights as a citizen should be fully reinstated.

Having said that I also support punishments that actually fit the crimes committed. Which is why I support what Arpaio has done to the prisons in AZ.

[MikeBjerum]

That is the nice thing about living in a Republic!  We have a Constitution and we have three branches of government.  While we elect two out of three of the branches democratically, all three branches are charged with protecting and leading us based on the Constitution.  However, we have perverted the system from both sides, and all three branches have become nothing more than job candidates protecting their own turf.

Legislating and policy setting is not about poll data or electability.  Legislating and policy setting is about taking today's needs and protecting citizens Rights while not destroying the country we were gifted by so many that gave so much.

TAB, you keep asking why someone who jumps through "a few more hoops" should be given special treatment.  Please explain to me why someone should be required to "jump thru a few more hoops" to exercise their Constitutionally protected Rights.

TAB,

I'd like your thoughts on this!

[tombogan03884]

no I mean nation wide, people generally support back ground checks.  Back ground checks are not going to go away. so it should go in, drop your cash on the counter, they make the call, walk out.


so tom explain to me how its logical to use a back ground check from 2 years ago.  when every one else needs to have a back ground check done when they buy.  If you walk back into the store 2 mins after the last one, you still need to be back ground check.

CCW, can be political... locally there were a few people that were friends of the sheriff.  only they could not legally own guns.  Corruption is a world wide deal...

Never said anything about using a background check from 2 years ago for buying a gun, it was in reference to going into the Court house where the other's may have never had one done.
You know, the original topic .  

[JC5123]

look, my point is, why should we treat some one diffrent becuase they jumped thru a few more hoops?

not all states have extensive back ground checks, some its litterly pay the fee and wait for them to process the paper work.

I just think its a joke that you one person has to pass a back ground check every time they buy and gun and another can use a background check from years ago.

Now I know we should not have to have background checks, but guess what, they are here to stay.  I'm a firm beleaver that guns should be cash and carry, but the public will not stand for that.  the whole waiting thing is BS, make the call and give them the gun.

By that logic anyone with a security clearance should have to pass a background check every time they were handed a classified document.

[jstm]

In TEXAS if you ccw buying a gun is as close to cash & carry as it get's fill out the form & pay no fuss ,no muss, no wait ,no phone call.

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[TAB]

By that logic anyone with a security clearance should have to pass a background check every time they were handed a classified document.

security clearance is drasticly diffrent then a ccw.


M58 we have several hundred years of case law that say otherwise.

[Solus]

Is that not considered cash and carry? It sounded to me like you were talking about waiting periods? So do you also support licensing every firearm you own?

I have never licensed any weapon that I have. Nor will I.

As much as I am torn about this, on principle I think that once you have served your sentence even a felon should be able to go purchase a firearm. Go on with your moral objections, but once you are released from prison, and served your parole, your rights as a citizen should be fully reinstated.

Having said that I also support punishments that actually fit the crimes committed. Which is why I support what Arpaio has done to the prisons in AZ.

I have to agree with you, JC.  

As a matter of fact, I tend to think that if, for some reason, a person cannot be trusted with a firearm, they shouldn't be walking free on the streets.

If for some reason, perhaps mental or physiological handicap, or a disposition to crime, or whatever, they cannot be trusted not to harm others or themselves if they have access to a firearm, they can't be trusted not to harm others if they have access to hammers, baseball bats, gasoline or automobiles, etc. either.  

[JC5123]

security clearance is drasticly diffrent then a ccw.


M58 we have several hundred years of case law that say otherwise.

How so? You get the same type of screening and background checks. Plus you are not trusting CCW holders with matters of National Security. Tell me what CCW holder has done more damage than the army puke (sorry his name escapes me at the moment) that leaked thousands classified documents to wikileaks?

[Ichiban]

As much as I am torn about this, on principle I think that once you have served your sentence even a felon should be able to go purchase a firearm. Go on with your moral objections, but once you are released from prison, and served your parole, your rights as a citizen should be fully reinstated.

Given a recidivism rate in the 60% range (assuming there are more that don't get caught), I'm not sure I agree with this.  Too bad we don't have a good way of differentiating the people that screwed up and learned their lesson from the truly bad people who just don't give a sh!t.

[PegLeg45]

Given a recidivism rate in the 60% range (assuming there are more that don't get caught), I'm not sure I agree with this.  Too bad we don't have a good way of differentiating the people that screwed up and learned their lesson from the truly bad people who just don't give a sh!t.

I'm very mixed on this issue (as others have mentioned previously) as well.

I understand where you're coming from and I agree that it is one big caveat to the restoration of rights to a felon after a full service of sentence. However, if the guy (or gal) decides to return to criminal behavior, then theoretically it wouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things. If they want a gun, they can get one. It would merely mean they might purchase it from a valid store (and produce a traceable paper trail) instead of out of the trunk of a car in a dark alley.