What Gun Shop Would Sell 147 AK's To 1 Guy ?

[billt]

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_142cfb8b-22bb-5a66-8631-48fcb2f1ec27.html

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/02/20/20110220arizona-rifle-sale-law.html

This is all over the papers here. There was even a cover story yesterday in the Sunday Arizona Republic. The owner of Lone Wolf Trading Company admits he's working with the ATF on helping to sting these guys, so it's totally silly the way the media is trying to spin the whole thing like it's so easy to buy large numbers of guns for straw resale.

 I've been to Lone Wolf, and have even bought a few guns from him. It's a small operation with pretty good people. I can't imagine a mexican walking in there with $40,000.00 cash and buying 80 AK-47's, and walking out the door like it was nothing. That would never happen without the ATF being involved from the get go. The guy would lose his FFL, and find himself in jail in a heartbeat. Especially with all of the alleged mexican gunrunning going on. The Republic is a liberal rag, and it's getting old seeing this kind of silly crap on an ongoing basis.

They even published the names of the guys, along with the amount of weapons they bought on what day. The only way they could have gotten that information is off the 4473. The ATF had to be on this from minute one, so I'm not seeing the big story here, except for how they are trying to frame it up like this goes on every day without anyone shrugging a shoulder. A sting is a sting and it should be reported as such. Not like this happens every day like it's nothing. Leave it to the liberal media to distort.  Bill T.

[crusader rabbit]

Leave it to the liberal media to distort.  Bill T. 

I'm confused here, Bill.  This surprises you why, 'zackly?

[Hazcat]

This part of an ATF 'sting' gone bad that Sen Grassely is investigating.

[billt]

I'm confused here, Bill.  This surprises you why, 'zackly?

It's a well known fact how the liberal media distorts things. But my God, a fifth grader could see there is more here than what meets the eye. The biggest problem most of these liberal staff writers have that are employed by these socialist newspapers is they think everyone is as dumb as they are.  Bill T.

[philw]

so you did not do a buy up recently then

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[billt]

The mere fact Lone Wolf is still open for business and operating as a legitimate gun store says everything. A couple of years back the ATF shut down Cavalry Arms for months and confiscated every weapon in the joint, including customer owned rifles, and they were ultimately found to have done nothing wrong. If Lone Wolf, or any other gun shop in the state for that matter, was knowingly doing illegal straw sales, the ATF would shut them down in a New York second. It's the same story with J&G Sales up in Prescott. They turn down multiple sales all the time unless it's a dealer purchase. As the owner of J&G said in the article, "Why don't they go after the people who are actually committing the straw purchases instead of highlighting the dealers?" You know they are, it's just the papers aren't reporting it.

Just last year the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, (i.e. Joe Arpaio), had a large billboard on I-17 that read, "Do a straw gun purchase and get 10 years in jail". Now they, (the newspapers), act like this goes on every day without incident.  Bill T.

[MikeBjerum]

These two articles are so left leaning that they are actually laying on their left sides!  The Republic article sounds like it was written by the Brady Campaign, and the Star pushes BATF's latest move so boldly that it should have a disclaimer at the bottom that states it is paid for by the Brady Campaign.

As I read the number of guns purchased I can see him getting by with purchase number one.  However I do not see the system allowing number two or beyond so quickly.  I agree with the comments concerning the sting. 

One winter I purchased several guns.  I actually purchased a matched pair of handguns from one shop, then two weeks later picked up two different handguns from another shop that had bought out an estate.  I then purchased a couple more guns within a month.  Between these I picked up my limited gun, but as I recall that purchase had been run through the system two weeks before the first purchase.  The matched pair took longer to clear than I expected, and I was asked if I had purchased any guns within the past "five days," "ten days," and then "thirty days."  When I purchased the two guns from the estate it took over an hour to get approval.  Not denied, but the dealer was told to call back twice, and after verifying things on call number three I was cleared.  The two purchases the next month were single gun transfers, but more questions like the matched pair.

That recount is how I know that #1 The system is paying attention to what is going on with transfers, and #2 Can dig back through at least our recent transfers and knows what we are up to out here.  The only way I can see that this was allowed to continue is that they were giving this guy enough rope to hang himself, and hopefully take someone with him.

[billt]

The only way I can see that this was allowed to continue is that they were giving this guy enough rope to hang himself, and hopefully take someone with him.

I'll bet any amount of money that is exactly what is happening. This is no different than DEA undercover dope deals. They want to nail the guy, any guy, to see where it leads. Who is he buying the guns for? Who will he give them to? How will they be smuggled over the border, and by who? Who's running the operation on this side of the border? Where is the money coming from?

Of course, none of that is being reported. One guy bought a lot of guns................And?   Bill T.

[billt]

"For advocates of tougher gun control, Patino's purchases represent a shortcoming in federal and state laws that allows people to buy as many rifles as they can carry out the door at a time - without any report to law-enforcement agencies."

How can it "represent a shortcoming" when the guy was caught, arrested, and prosecuted? Sounds to me like everything worked just as it was supposed to.   Bill T.

[MikeBjerum]

I've been to Lone Wolf, and have even bought a few guns from him. It's a small operation with pretty good people. I can't imagine a mexican walking in there with $40,000.00 cash and buying 80 AK-47's, and walking out the door like it was nothing.

That comment says a lot right there!  Any of us that buy guns and deal with FFLs frequently learns the mindset of the dealer quickly.  If you would ask me about the dealers I have dealt with if they would do something legal or illegal I could give you a good idea.

We all hate the restrictions, but there is a difference between the dealers that work within the system to best protect our Rights and the dealers that work the system to make a buck.

I once traded a Parker Wyoming Arms 1911 in 10mm with a dealer.  He treated me very fairly, so I was going to support him with more deals.  However when I was in his shop looking at guns a month later I noticed my old gun wasn't there.  I commented on him turning it over quickly.  His reply was that he had a gunshow in the Twin Cities the weekend after our deal, and the "gang bangers" love anything "mm" and a ten is like gold.  BIG  RED  FLAG!!!  I went back a few more times, and I talk to him at shows, but the more I talk with him the less comfortable I am with his tactics to move guns.  I could be wrong, but I don't need to be tied to someone that may cross the line for a buck.