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George F. Will
« on: March 23, 2011, 02:38:36 AM »
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=2c72b1dc-ee04-4734-8c37-36f5d3d790e5&headline=George+F.+Will%3a+Still+in+the+regime-change+business

The missile strikes that inaugurated America’s latest attempt at regime change were launched 29 days before the 50th anniversary of another such — the Bay of Pigs of April 17, 1961. Then the hubris of American planners was proportional to their ignorance of everything relevant, from Cuban sentiment to Cuba’s geography. The fiasco was a singularly feckless investment of American power.
Does practice make perfect? In today’s episode, America has intervened in a civil war in a tribal society, the dynamics of which America does not understand. And America is supporting one faction, the nature of which it does not know. “We are standing with the people of Libya,” says Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, evidently confident that “the” people are a harmonious unit. Many in the media call Moammar Gadhafi’s opponents “freedom fighters,” and perhaps they are, but no one calling them that really knows how the insurgents regard one another, or understand freedom, or if freedom, however understood, is their priority.

But, then, knowing is rarely required in the regime-change business. The Weekly Standard, a magazine for regime-change enthusiasts, serenely says: “The Libyan state is a one-man operation. Eliminate that man and the whole edifice may come tumbling down.” And then good things must sprout? The late Donald Westlake gave one of his comic novels the mordant title “What’s the Worst That Could Happen?” People who do not find that darkly funny should not make foreign policy.

In Libya, mission creep began before the mission did. A no-fly zone would not accomplish what Barack Obama calls “a well-defined goal,” the “protection of civilians.” So the no-fly zone immediately became protection for aircraft conducting combat operations against Gadhafi’s ground forces.

America’s war aim is inseparable from — indeed, obviously is — destruction of that regime. So our purpose is to create a political vacuum, into which we hope — this is the “audacity of hope” as foreign policy — good things will spontaneously flow. But if Gadhafi cannot be beaten by the rebels, are we prepared to supply their military deficiencies? And if the decapitation of his regime produces what the removal of Saddam Hussein did — bloody chaos — what then are our responsibilities regarding the tribal vendettas we may have unleashed? How long are we prepared to police the partitioning of Libya?

Explaining his decision to wage war, Obama said Gadhafi has “lost the confidence of his own people and the legitimacy to lead.” Such meretricious boilerplate seems designed to anesthetize thought. When did Gadhafi lose his people’s confidence? When did he have legitimacy? American doctrine — check the Declaration of Independence — is that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. So there are always many illegitimate governments. When is it America’s duty to scrub away these blemishes on the planet? Is there a limiting principle of humanitarian interventionism? If so, would Obama take a stab at stating it?

Congress’ power to declare war resembles a muscle that has atrophied from long abstention from proper exercise. This power was last exercised on June 5, 1942 (against Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary), almost 69 years, and many wars, ago. It thus may seem quaint, and certainly is quixotic, for Indiana’s Richard Lugar — ranking Republican on, and former chairman of, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee — to say, correctly, that Congress should debate and vote on this.

There are those who think that if the United Nations gives the United States permission to wage war, the Constitution becomes irrelevant. Let us find out who in Congress supports this proposition, which should be resoundingly refuted, particularly by Republicans currently insisting that government, and especially the executive, should be on a short constitutional leash. If all Republican presidential aspirants are supine in the face of unfettered presidential war-making and humanitarian interventionism, the Republican field is radically insufficient.

On Dec. 29, 1962, in Miami’s Orange Bowl, President John F. Kennedy, who ordered the Bay of Pigs invasion, addressed a rally of survivors and supporters of that exercise in regime change. Presented with the invasion brigade’s flag, Kennedy vowed, “I can assure you that this flag will be returned to this brigade in a free Havana.” Eleven months later, on Nov. 2, 1963, his administration was complicit in another attempt at violent regime change — the coup against, and murder of, South Vietnam’s President Ngo Dinh Diem. The Saigon regime was indeed changed, so perhaps this episode counts as a success, even if Saigon is now Ho Chi Minh City.

George Will’s email address is georgewill@washpost.com.

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 03:13:37 AM »
Speaking of Republicans I would vote for........... George Will is the last of a breed of pundits who are reporters first and ideologues second. Will is a smart and very well informed guy. He's never expressed an interest in office and really isn't beholden to anyone other than the Baltimore Orioles. If he were to run, I'd pull up stakes to work for him (though I don't know his 2A position, still, unless he's a closet Bradyite which I doubt, he has more sense than anyone we've been talking about in 2012).
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 04:59:31 AM »
"But, then, knowing is rarely required in the regime-change business. The Weekly Standard, a magazine for regime-change enthusiasts, serenely says: “The Libyan state is a one-man operation. Eliminate that man and the whole edifice may come tumbling down.” And then good things must sprout? The late Donald Westlake gave one of his comic novels the mordant title “What’s the Worst That Could Happen?” People who do not find that darkly funny should not make foreign policy."

Seems Tom, that Mr. Will has been reading your posts.  I believe you've been saying the same thing for a few weeks now!  Qaddafi is a nut case, true but, what's going to replace him?

You're underpaid Tom!  Start wearing a bow-tie...

George is a pleasure to read, I need to do it more often.

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 07:27:22 AM »
Amazingly, except for the misspellings, I find myself in agreement with the Quaker, once again.

But, I would point out that George F. Will appears to be intelligent enough to realize the limitations of his expertise.  He is an observer, a pundit, a recounter of history.  He does not see himself as a politician.  For this he deserves kudos.

The talents of being able to see and understand personal limitations are rare.  Would that the current resident of the WH had a fraction of Will's ability.  Perhaps he would have remained a pot-smoking, cocaine snorting, chain smoking Kenyan, instead of leading our country (and now others) into destruction.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2011, 09:20:06 AM »
"But, then, knowing is rarely required in the regime-change business. The Weekly Standard, a magazine for regime-change enthusiasts, serenely says: “The Libyan state is a one-man operation. Eliminate that man and the whole edifice may come tumbling down.” And then good things must sprout? The late Donald Westlake gave one of his comic novels the mordant title “What’s the Worst That Could Happen?” People who do not find that darkly funny should not make foreign policy."

Seems Tom, that Mr. Will has been reading your posts.  I believe you've been saying the same thing for a few weeks now!  Qaddafi is a nut case, true but, what's going to replace him?

You're underpaid Tom!
  Start wearing a bow-tie...

George is a pleasure to read, I need to do it more often.

I am SOOO tempted to cross post that    ;D

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 11:32:51 AM »
Amazingly, except for the misspellings, I find myself in agreement with the Quaker, once again.

But, I would point out that George F. Will appears to be intelligent enough to realize the limitations of his expertise.  He is an observer, a pundit, a recounter of history.  He does not see himself as a politician.  For this he deserves kudos.

The talents of being able to see and understand personal limitations are rare.  Would that the current resident of the WH had a fraction of Will's ability.  Perhaps he would have remained a pot-smoking, cocaine snorting, chain smoking Kenyan, instead of leading our country (and now others) into destruction.

I agree, Crusader.   As to the misspellings,   "There, but for the grace of my spell checker, go I"
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Re: George F. Will
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2011, 03:43:02 PM »
Speaking of Republicans I would vote for........... George Will .... he has more sense than anyone we've been talking about in 2012).
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The operative word is "sense".  To run for public office would subject his ethical and moral obligation to the craft he's become famous for and Edward R. Murrow would be proud of, to a test that even HE may not overcome!

To run for the first office of our Great Country is not something to be taken lightly, too many do and find that no matter the original reason, they have to check their original message at the door and live with the reality of the office.


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Re: George F. Will
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2011, 08:09:18 PM »
Don't praise Morrow, he was as liberal as Olberman.

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2011, 08:11:19 PM »
Don't praise Morrow, he was as liberal as Olberman.

True but, he still had a shred of decency and respect for his profession...

 

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