Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth

[fightingquaker13]

And sections 2-5 have what to do with my argument? I think we agree that Dunham did not serve in the Confederate Army and BO is over 35. Your point, beyond the gratutious shot at his dead mother who neither of us knows is what exactly?Seriously Tom, if there was a point there I missed it. Try explaining in small simple words since you have no respect for my intellect.
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[tombogan03884]

I posted sections 2-5 so you could not say I cherry picked parts other than what you were referring to.
You base your argument against little Red's post on Sec 1 of the 14th amendment, but that has nothing to do with regulating naturalization or citizenship of those born overseas.

It was not a shot at his mother, it was a simple statement of fact. In 1961 even trashy white girls did not sleep with black men, only real skanks did that.

[fightingquaker13]

I posted sections 2-5 so you could not say I cherry picked parts other than what you were referring to.
You base your argument against little Red's post on Sec 1 of the 14th amendment, but that has nothing to do with regulating naturalization or citizenship of those born overseas.

Actually it does. Do you lose rights by being outside the soveriegn teritory of the US? Are those rights suspended until you once again reach US soil? That is the crux of the matter. If you are an American citizen and have a kid in New Hampsihre its American. If you go to Toronto to catch a hockey game and give birth there at 16, is the kid Canadian? What if Canada, or country X does not regognize citizenship based on place of birth, but just on blood? Does the child then have no citizenship? Does birthright citizenship mean you pass that on to your kid? Is that part of the 14A's guarntees of citizenship to the mother? I think the 14A is clear on this, but they are serious questions, and they deserve serious answers.
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[tombogan03884]

The Mother, who was a citizen, didn't lose any rights so your argument is crap.
It all hinges on the exact regulations covering Citizen /non citizen mixed marriage overseas births.

[tt11758]

The argument about President Walkabout's citizenship has been put to rest once and for all.  Yesterday's Des Moines Sunday Register (The Newspaper The Liberal Left Depends On), in a piece addressing Trump's question (and pretty much doing their best to trash his potential candidacy) stated emphatically that the Dipshit-In-Chief was, in fact, born in Hawaii and is a US citizen.  Inasmuch as the Register is the final arbiter in ALL things political (at least, according to the left), this effectively ends the argument.


*sarcasm off*

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[MikeBjerum]

The argument about President Walkabout's citizenship has been put to rest once and for all.  Yesterday's Des Moines Sunday Register (The Newspaper The Liberal Left Depends On), in a piece addressing Trump's question (and pretty much doing their best to trash his potential candidacy) stated emphatically that the Dipshit-In-Chief was, in fact, born in Hawaii and is a US citizen.  Inasmuch as the Register is the final arbiter in ALL things political (at least, according to the left), this effectively ends the argument.


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Did they go so far as to clear up all the issues with giving up his citizenship or claims to U.S. citizenship in order to be a student and or resident elsewhere.  To me it is what happened when they lived in the sandbox that is a larger issue.

[tombogan03884]

Did they go so far as to clear up all the issues with giving up his citizenship or claims to U.S. citizenship in order to be a student and or resident elsewhere.  To me it is what happened when they lived in the sandbox that is a larger issue.

He never did, although he made a trip to Pakistan. Indonesia, a collection of jungle covered islands is north of Australia.
Giving up your Citizenship is an administrative action that requires various specific actions and forms that there is no record of him or his mother ever filing. These are not "concealed", they never existed. The more I see of the "Birther" question, the more I see ignorance, and uncited BS.
Let's stick to the proven, he's a f*cking communist who associated with hate mongers, terrorists and crooks his entire life.

[Solus]

Not true.  There is some sort of 8 consecutive year thing before Ovomit was born,  I'll need to look up the details but that is in question as well.

I had read that the law at the time of BHO's birth stated that if you were born outside the US one of your parents had to have been a US Citizen and had to have resided in the US for 5 years after their 18th birthday.  (or 16th birthday...some upper teen birthday)

BHO's mother was too young at the time of his birth to have lived anywhere for 5 years after her 18th (or any upper teen) birthday.


However, I cannot find any reference to support the claim that this was, indeed, the law in effect at the time of his birth.

[LittleRed]

Little Red, editorial criticism, Post references when you put up stuff like that.

Good point. Keep me honest 

The current law, via the USCIS:

http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-9696.html#0-0-0-375

See paragraph (g). Current law has decreased the amount of time the citizen-parent must live in the U.S. after 14 to 2 years from the 1952 Act. Under current law, there would be no birther argument at all. Done. Nada. Zip, etc.

HOWEVER, via usa.gov (that's as official as it gets):

http://answers.usa.gov/system/selfservice.controller?CONFIGURATION=1000&PARTITION_ID=1&CMD=VIEW_ARTICLE&ARTICLE_ID=9694&USERTYPE=1&LANGUAGE=en&COUNTRY=US

For births between December 24, 1952, and November 13, 1986, this is a period of 10 years, five of which must be after the age of 14.

THEREFORE, Obama had to have been BORN ON U.S. SOIL to be qualified for the office of President.

These areas are pretty cut and dry. Are there still gray areas? Sure. The birth certificate produced is the short form, not the original signed by the physician and witnesses. Why not show the original and be done with it?

[tt11758]

Good point. Keep me honest 

The current law, via the USCIS:

http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-9696.html#0-0-0-375

See paragraph (g). Current law has decreased the amount of time the citizen-parent must live in the U.S. after 14 to 2 years from the 1952 Act. Under current law, there would be no birther argument at all. Done. Nada. Zip, etc.

HOWEVER, via usa.gov (that's as official as it gets):

http://answers.usa.gov/system/selfservice.controller?CONFIGURATION=1000&PARTITION_ID=1&CMD=VIEW_ARTICLE&ARTICLE_ID=9694&USERTYPE=1&LANGUAGE=en&COUNTRY=US

THEREFORE, Obama had to have been BORN ON U.S. SOIL to be qualified for the office of President.

These areas are pretty cut and dry. Are there still gray areas? Sure. The birth certificate produced is the short form, not the original signed by the physician and witnesses. Why not show the original and be done with it?

It's a sleight-of-hand game.  When people are paying attention to his left hand (the birther discussion), they can't see what mischief his right hand is up to.