CZ52 7.62x25 and Walther P-1

[Hazcat]

Any one have info / opinions on the 7.62 x 25 round?

There are C&R CZ52 and Romanian guns available that shoot this but I don't know anything about the round (although it is available at good prices).

MB (and others)

The Walther P-1 is also available. 

MB is yours the P-1 or the P-38?  What is the diff (other than when made)?

Thanks all!

[clayflingythingy]

I have a CZ52 in 7.62x25. It is of excellent quality for a milsurp handgun at its price point. "The word" on some forums is the firing pin will snap and needs replacement. No biggie as replacements are available and afordable. My firing pin is still goin strong. I do not like shooting the CZ more than a couple of mags as the trigger pinches my finger. This seems to be a crapshoot as some report no problem with trigger pinching while others do.

The Romanian Tokarovs seem over priced to me for a Milsurp but I have not examined one. I have examined the Chinese Toks and a quality gun based on this design would make an interesting addition to the gun safe. The Chinese guns left much to be desired.

The 7.62x25 round itself seems reasonably accurate. It's just a hot 30 calibre which would be OK for short range varmint hunting if you were so inclined. The S&B stuff is good.

I have examined a couple of Walther P1's at the LGS. I understand they are West German police surplus. Both guns I examined had triggers that required two mules and a boy to pull. I wasn't interested at the price point. You may want to check out:

http://www.waltherforums.com/vb/

[dgray64]

Check out this site and demonstration.  It seems that the 7.62x25 round is under rated.  I know it shoots hard from my CZ52.  You know you have fired more than a 9mm.

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot29.htm

Dave     

[Hazcat]

Check out this site and demonstration.  It seems that the 7.62x25 round is under rated.  I know it shoots hard from my CZ52.  You know you have fired more than a 9mm.

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot29.htm

Dave     

WOW!  Out did a .357!  I may have to get one of these.  Might be a good side arm when pig hunting as penetration is key and those hogs are TOUGH!

[Hazcat]

dgray,

Have you ever shot or handled the Romanian Tokerov?  On the Box O Truth site he says that the trigger is better and so are the sights.  Whatcha think?

[Sponsor]

[2HOW]

The TT would be my choice, the 762x25 is said to be able to defeat body armor and some put it in the class of the .44 magnum. pretty hot round. I read the box report and I think Chuck Hawks says some good things about it. Cheap firepower.

[Hazcat]

Thanks 2HOW

[tombogan03884]

The difference between a P-38 and a P-1 is that the P-1 has an alloy frame. The Chinese Tokerevs that I've owned were 9 mm , crappy workmanship but they all shot well.  I find the comments about 7.62 x 25 hard to believe, if some one told me the ballistics were similar to a .357 Sig  (which it resembles, being a bottle necked pistol cartridge) I would find it easier to believe. Comparing it to a .357 or .44 Magnum seems ridiculous.

[ccd]

Watch out for the decockers on the CZ52's as there are some documented mishaps with them. Other then that they are great pistols. Get the improved firing pin and new spare rollers just in case they need to be replaced any time soon. It is a very under rated cartridge  for SD. The rollers are the only off the wall thing that you need to keep on eye on as far as maintenance. It would be nice if good SD ammo was more available for 7.62x25.

[warhawke]

The firing pins are cast and will break if dry-fired but should last a long time otherwise. The 7.62x25mm was the worlds highest velocity pistol round until the .357 mag displaced it. It still will do a job on most soft body armor, one test it went through 22 layers of Kevlar, a pine 4x4 and lodged in the 19th layer of the back section, it was a 2nd chance (IIRC). The CZ52 is one of the strongest pistols ever built for the round. IF I had the spare coin I would have a couple CZs and a couple cases of ammo.