A Ruger 1911 at last....

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Bullet points:

- Series 70, not Series 80

no big deal

- Titanium firing pin & heavy firing pin spring

not needed

- Plunger tube cast into the frame

I don't like this idea at all, over complcates a casting, very easy to mach

- Barrel & bushing from the same bar stock

bad idea 


Can you believe I kept a secret this long?!?!?!?!

Michael B

[philw]

Can you believe I kept a secret this long?!?!?!?!

Michael B

yes when you nuts are on the line next to that Signature on the NDA that you would of signed



so Michael   while I am re-arranging my to get list,( for when I can afford new toys, not any time soon though )   up there near the top is a 1911 ( yes we can actually get these in Australia ) 
I have had the Para GI in mind along with a couple of others  like the Remington or a Kimber
the Ruger now has added another one in to the mix   

now take your  Ruger sales bloke hat off.  better to stretch out the extra cash over the Para ??  as I would not be surprised to see this over $1600 or more here if we can get it over here.  ( yes I know,  however not that easy for me to move )  unless the Outdoor Channel and DRTV need a full time Apple Tech on staff)

[alfsauve]

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Does this gun use ALL milspec parts?  Can one change parts to their liking.  

From the annoucement: 

Positive extraction is facilitated by an improved internal extractor.

That would seem to indicate some parts are not compatible with a Colt MkIV Mod 70.

[MikeBjerum]

I'll bite on this one:

Bullet points:

- Series 70, not Series 80

no big deal

- Titanium firing pin & heavy firing pin spring

not needed

Having shot loads with tough primers I see the value in a heavy firing pin spring, and using the heavy spring would make the titanium firing pin nice for longevity

- Plunger tube cast into the frame

I don't like this idea at all, over complcates a casting, very easy to mach

With Ruger being the king of investment casting I wouldn't worry about complicating the process.  Also, as someone that has dropped more than one plunger tube I can appreciate an integrated part

- Barrel & bushing from the same bar stock

bad idea

Why???  What is wrong with this material choice?


Can you believe I kept a secret this long?!?!?!?!

Michael B

[PegLeg45]

You beat me to it, M58....basically what I was going to say.

To add to it:
As long as the bushing and barrel are heat-treated to a different hardness, the wear patterns will be OK, and it would be a positive thing to be made from the same stock. We used to make wear-surface components from the same stock all the time. The variance in heat treating is the key. I hate to make assumptions, but I would think that after all these years of building extremely strong guns, Ruger will have a handle on this.

JMHO, FWIW

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M58 titanium is LIGHTER then steal.  The idea behind using it is the firing pin will move faster.  Its not needed.

Peg,  2 reasons why think its a bad idea.

1.  the bar stock is going to be harder then the slide.  bad bushing to slide fit= wear on the slide= you can't really fix it.

2.  Friction is always greatest between 2 simlar surfaces.  since both the barrel and the bushing will have the same crystalin structure. there will be more friction, then if they were 2 diffrent types of steal.

[MikeBjerum]

Peg, the difference between you and me and our opinions is that you are "humble."  I'm just in your face  

I'd like to shoot and add one to the collection!  Hey MB - How about a contest that would put one in the hands of someone with posts that number, let's just say, in the 5,500 to 6,000 range  

Is that clear enough or do I need to clarify it a little?  Send me the damn gun!!!

[Ichiban]

I thought the reason behind the titanium firing pin and stronger FP spring was to get around the "need" for a firing pin safety.  The firing pin is light enough that its mass alone can not overcome the spring and cause an AD if the gun is dropped.

I have no doubt that I will be corrected schooled in firing pin physics if I am mistaken.   

[Solus]

M58 titanium is LIGHTER then steal.  The idea behind using it is the firing pin will move faster.  Its not needed.

Read a report by someone who did a study of a titanium striker in a Glock.

He used some device, the name of which I do not recall, to measure the speed of the steel striker.

Then used it to indirectly measure the speed of the titanium striker.  He could not directly measure the titanium striker because the device only worked on ferrous metals.

The difference in speed, he claimed, was greater than the amount of time it would take a bullet to travel from the muzzle to the target at self defense ranges.

Thus, using a titanium striker, and all other things being equal, your bullet would be  hitting your target before his bullet left the muzzle.

Might be a life saver if the guys study was accurate.

[Michael Bane]

Good point about the NDA, PhilW...gun companies got smart about such things...

You've got a real Down Under dilemma there on 1911s...to borrow a political phrase, I think AT THIS POINT IN TIME both the Remington and the Ruger are worth the bump over the GI Expert or the Kimber. I found the GI Expert to be one of the most accurate out-of-the-box lower end 1911s I'd ever shot (I ran it alongside a C&S Custom as the control), but I had to send it back to have the sear replaced...easy for me, less so if you live on the Far Side of the World! Since I got it back, I've shot the hell out if it, and it has been perfect.

I bought my Remington because I think it is an excellent value. Again, it has been run a lot with zero problems. When I first shot it I ran 270 rounds through it as quickly as we could load magazines, and it just kept shooting one ragged hole at 7 yards on an indoor range. I really like the retro look of the R1, but for an apples-to-apples comparison the Ruger is more akin to the Remington R1 Enhanced announced at SHOT ($940 MSRP).  I like fiber optic front sights on a competition gun, but NOT on a carry or self-defense gun...I've busted out a lot of fiber optic tubes over the years. Your mileage may vary.

In terms of the Ruger, I like how it's built (regardless of what our resident contrarians say!!!), and I've seen a lot of 1911s being built.

Here's a thought about 1911s..3 weeks ago I attended the GUNSITE special 1911 commemorative class with some of the top gun writers and firearms experts in the country (this country, anyway). You could NOT get a quorum on one particular brand...there were Colts (I was shooting at Wilson/Colt), Paras, S&Ws, Springfields, Kimbers, a Remington and some old Remington Rands from WW2. The shorter slide guns failed more than the 5-inchers. Our guns ran just fine, but you'd expect that.

One question I always ask of instructors is what they're seeing in their classes -- what's holding up to the battering a class puts on the gun? Right now, in terms of OUT-OF-THE-BOX guns, I hear good things about Colts, Remingtons and S&Ws. That would be consistent with my experience...

Dies that help or is it TOO bullshitty?

Michael B