Ron Paul Has Just Guaranteed He Will Not Be Elected !

[billt]

Would you like it if the Mexican government flew their special forces into our country, raided, and killed a group of people they had a problem with?

If we were harboring and protecting a terrorist that killed 3,000 innocent Mexican civilians, I would expect them to. Remember it's called a WAR on terror for a reason. It's not about kissing ass. I'm all broken up over Pakistan's "sovereignty". When you deal from both sides of the deck, you should learn to expect this sort of thing. As Bush said, "You're either with us or against us!" Pakistan has made their choice. Now they can live with it. We already are, quite comfortably.  Bill T.

[crusader rabbit]

Just a quick jump in the pool... 

Fullauto has succinctly stated his cogent opinion.  I can find nothing therein to promote any argument. 

My daddy taught me there's two kind of fellows you never argue with.  Them that's right.   And them that's got a hogleg strapped on their hip.

Now, I don't know the status of Fullauto's hogleg, but the man is certainly right!

FWIW,
Crusader

[fullautovalmet76]

If we were harboring and protecting a terrorist that killed 3,000 innocent Mexican civilians, I would expect them to. Remember it's called a WAR on terror for a reason. It's not about kissing ass. I'm all broken up over Pakistan's "sovereignty". When you deal from both sides of the deck, you should learn to expect this sort of thing. As Bush said, "You're either with us or against us!" Pakistan has made their choice. Now they can live with it. We already are, quite comfortably.  Bill T.

Don't misunderstand me, Bill, I'm glad he's dead! And I'm glad our guys got him. But, and this is huge, how we got him is very important. If their government gave us the green light (which I really think they did but we'll never know the truth on that one) that is one thing. But if we go in unannounced and unwelcome that is a completely different thing.

[tombogan03884]

Don't misunderstand me, Bill, I'm glad he's dead! And I'm glad our guys got him. But, and this is huge, how we got him is very important. If their government gave us the green light (which I really think they did but we'll never know the truth on that one) that is one thing. But if we go in unannounced and unwelcome that is a completely different thing.

No it isn't. We are the biggest kid on the block, why should we take crap from the little punks who couldn't accomplish half what we have in 10 times the time ? Screw those little shitholes, they shaft us every chance they get,  then come begging with their hand out .
This is something I completely agree with Trump on, The Soviet union had it right when they invaded Germany, They took "Reparations", they disassembled factories, they hauled off power plants, they even sent trainloads of brick, from the rubble piles, all to be used in rebuilding the Soviet Union. We should be hauling tanker loads of free oil out of Iraq, We should be confiscating the Haitian coffee crop.
TANSTAAFL.
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, for us why should these little pissants expect one from us ?
As for Ron Paul, another loser like Romney who couldn't even beat a RINO like McCain.
If you wouldn't put a retread on your car, only an asshole would put one on the ballet.

[Pathfinder]

CR, my brother, normally I agree with you on whatever you post. Here, however, we have to diverge. FA ain't right for a bunch of reasons.

1. Gold standard - no, it did not work for 180 years. True, it worked well for a while, but the price has been manipulated for more than a century, most notably with the formation of the Federal Reserve (which in fact is neither) and especially when FDR made ownership illegal, confiscated it at something like $20+ an ounce, and when he had collected most of it, thereupon announced its value was now magically raised to $36 an ounce - creating a huge windfall for the gummint - where the price lay for decades. regardless of world demand. Complete manipulation.

2. Gold standard redux - From what I have read and heard, the amount of gold we would need to actually base the US dollar on gold has never been mined in the history of this world. Therefore, the dollar would have to be seriously revalued - which needs to be done anyhow - and that alone would cause major economic upheavals. And this will never happen, as it would mean the dollar would have to be revalued to the "good", whereas world powers and big shots are actively trying to destroy the dollar.

3. Withdrawing troops - maybe. However, the G2 (intelligence) we get by being involved abroad helps keep us safe here. It was a massive intelligence failure due - in part - to the klintoon administration's refusal to let various gummint agencies share data and follow up jointly on leads, architected by our likely next head of the FBI, Jamie Gorelick, that created a huge gap in our intelligence gathering and processing, and thereby leading to 9/11. In this day and age, isolationism will get you dead.

4. Isolationism - in this, I may have to agree with FQ (feh, yuck, ptooey - oh, right, broken clock syndrome, that works) in that Paul is blinded by a "perfect" adherence to Ayn Rand's Objectivity and has forgotten 2 points:
- politics is the art of the possible; and
- war is politics by other means (TY von Clausewitz)

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[CJS3]

Ron Paul has always had an isolationist foriegn policy. He blamed the US (local Houston radio program in 2007) for provoking the 9-11 attacks, calling it a "blow back" reaction to our support of Israel and intervention in middle eastern affairs in general. On economics/spending he's right on, but one trick ponies don't make good presidents.

[billt]

But if we go in unannounced and unwelcome that is a completely different thing.

It's all we could have done with events leading up to this point. The Pakistanis cannot be trusted. We've informed them before that we were going after him, and they tipped him off. If you play both sides of the fence, this is what happens. Now they're crying about it and making threatening statements. What did they expect? You can't have it both ways. Even the Pakistanis should be smart enough to realize that.  Bill T.

[billt]

No it isn't. Screw those little shitholes, they shaft us every chance they get,  then come begging with their hand out .
This is something I completely agree with Trump on, The Soviet union had it right when they invaded Germany, They took "Reparations", they disassembled factories, they hauled off power plants, they even sent trainloads of brick, from the rubble piles, all to be used in rebuilding the Soviet Union. We should be hauling tanker loads of free oil out of Iraq, We should be confiscating the Haitian coffee crop. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, for us why should these little pissants expect one from us ? As for Ron Paul, another loser like Romney who couldn't even beat a RINO like McCain.
If you wouldn't put a retread on your car, only an asshole would put one on the ballet.

+100 ! I couldn't agree more!   Bill T.

[billt]

http://patriotupdate.com/6936/ron-paul-sell-the-gold-in-fort-knox

Now this crackpot wants to sell off all of the gold in Fort Knox to pay down the debt. Real smart. Sell off what little we have of a national treasure, that won't even make a dent in the National Debt. At $1,496.00 an ounce there is $220 billion dollars of gold in Fort Knox. We currently owe $14+ TRILLION. Will someone get this clown a calculator!  Bill T.

[fightingquaker13]

That plan would also make it somewhat tricky to return to the gold standard. Unless of  course we are going to have federal employees wearing Uncle Sam outfits twirling sgns saying "We Buy Gold' on every street corner.
FQ13 who firmly agrees with BilT here.