9mm carry ammo

[Solus]

The PDX1 rounds I carry look very similar to them, except for the black coating. I think they changed the name to Ranger TSX, or something like that, for LEOs.

What I've  heard is that they changed the name to Ranger XST....which is said to mean    eXact Same Thing.  

I still have several boxes of Black Talon in 40S&W and 45ACP.  

My guess is newer ammunition will out perform them but I have not seen any comparison.  

I think I'm hanging on to them because they are the ones that "started it all" or, at least, are the ones that made it all a media circus.

[justbill]

The Military M9 Beretta, and ol' 1911 service pistols, dropped many a bad guy with ball ammo....

Don't forget all the Europeans with their Hi-Powers and Israelis with Glocks and Jerichos.

I think American gun enthusiasts in and out of uniform tend to worry overmuch about this stuff. A healthy dose of marketing by the ammo companies doesn't hurt either. IMO pick any current JHP load that gives 100% reliable feeding, extraction and ejection over a few hundred rounds along with acceptable accuracy and call it a day. Don't fret about small increments of expansion or penetration in ballistic gelatin.

[jyates]

If you get shot in a vital organ (heart, for example) its not really gonna matter is one round has 40 ft. lbs of pressure over another, or if it can go thru 14 inches of gelatin instead on 12. Bad Guy isnt likely to get up and say "Man Im glad that brand x ammo is 100 fps slower than brand y, I thought I was fixin' to get my birth certificate cancelled.." (Yes im cynical on the topic as well.) Find what feeds and cycles well, and stay with something you trust. My personal choice is Golden Sabres, just cause they were readily available and Ive never had a malfunction in my LCP. I just got a M&P 9c today, and its off to test their performance there too.

[Solus]

In another thread on the 10mm, an article about the Miami Shootings of FBI officers was reported.

It was found that marksmanship of the FBI agents was not faulty and that the bad guys had taken multiple hits with 9mm ammo without going down.

Sure, lots of bad guys have gone down to ball ammo, but those aren't what we are concerned about.  It's the ones that don't go down that cause the problem...and too many of them don't when less effective ammo us used.

And yes...if a round manages to penetrate to a vital organ, it has done it's job, but if I use ammo that gives me a 10 to 15% increase in the chance that it will penetrate to that vital organ, I'll take those odds.

[jyates]

And yes...if a round manages to penetrate to a vital organ, it has done it's job, but if I use ammo that gives me a 10 to 15% increase in the chance that it will penetrate to that vital organ, I'll take those odds.

Good point when you put it in that light.

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[justbill]

Good point when you put it in that light.

There aren't many currently manufactured ammo choices, 9mm and larger, that won't meet or exceed the FBI's magic 12" in ballistic gelatin. Adequate penetration with expansion just isn't an issue any more.

[twyacht]

The age old question:

"If a bullet expands and penetrates 6" and another bullet does not expand, but penetrates 12", which one does more damage?"

Availability [You have to have it with you.]
Reliability [It has to 'go bang.']
Penetration [It has to reach important bits.]
Placement [You have to hit important bits.]

Guess which rd. has ended the lives of the most people? Not in combat, or at war?

Times up.....

The .22. Closely followed by the .25 and .38

[Badgersmilk]

   What a subject!  The best 9mm carry ammo is anything in .45 caliber that fits in a real gun.   

[Badgersmilk]

The age old question:

"If a bullet expands and penetrates 6" and another bullet does not expand, but penetrates 12", which one does more damage?"

Availability [You have to have it with you.]
Reliability [It has to 'go bang.']
Penetration [It has to reach important bits.]
Placement [You have to hit important bits.]

Guess which rd. has ended the lives of the most people? Not in combat, or at war?

Times up.....

The .22. Closely followed by the .25 and .38

WOW twyacht...  I can't even begin to tell you how bad a place that is to go with this crowd.  According to this entire board .22 wouldn't suffice to kill a mosquito on the end of the barrel!  Weren't you here for all that?  

[Solus]

The age old question:

"If a bullet expands and penetrates 6" and another bullet does not expand, but penetrates 12", which one does more damage?"

Availability [You have to have it with you.]
Reliability [It has to 'go bang.']
Penetration [It has to reach important bits.]
Placement [You have to hit important bits.]

Guess which rd. has ended the lives of the most people? Not in combat, or at war?

Times up.....

The .22. Closely followed by the .25 and .38

6" penetration in gelatin will not reliably reach vital organs in a human target.  No matter what the expansion or damage it does, it is not a dependable fight stopper. 

12" in gelatin will greatly increase the chances of penetrating enough to reach vital organs, but without expansion, you would want to start with a .45...they have not been known to shrink.