Our Own Presidential Poll

[MikeBjerum]

People like TAB and FQ make me want to puke.
They have strong opinions but they will compromise every damn one of them.
I have principal and I will f*cking kill you or die before I compromise them.
They are the modern nutless "civilized male".
I'm a throw back to when MEN actually had balls.

+1 and insert zeros here

[TAB]

so tell me tom, which ones have a compramised?

[Rob10ring]

And THAT is where the game is won or lost. Libs and conservatives both hate it and insult the moderates, but at the end of the day the person who can hold onto their base and swing the middle wins. No one ever won a general election by appealing solely to the base. Ideological purity is nice, but its like sexy ligerie. You have to take it off if you want to seal the deal.
FQ13

The moderates wouldn't vote for Obama again. They were the first to sour on him.

[MikeBjerum]

so tell me tom, which ones have a compramised?

I'm not Tom, but let me ask just two questions:

1.  What is your drop dead stance on the Right to keep and bear arms;

2.  What is your belief on immigration and illegal aliens?

[TAB]

define keep and bear arms.  




illegals = gtfo, build a wall, fine the hell out of people hiring them.   You forget I had a cluase in all my contracts, that if you bring a illegal to my job site, the contract was void.  You will be booted from my job site and most likly sued.

immigration is something else, The current system does not work, needs a complete revamp.


I will give you some of my basics on guns

1 cash cand carry, no waitng periods, blah, blah blah.   
2 if a LEO can have it so can you/ LEOs need a ccw to carry concealed.
3 I like the texas 30,06 law, only I'd take it one step further, you lose your ccw for a period of time.
4 every one should have the abilty to get a ccw, but it should not be walk down to the police station, fill out a form and pay a fee.  There needs to be training envoled.  both in the classroom and on the range.

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[MikeBjerum]

define keep and bear arms.  

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

[TAB]

thanks for making it clear as mud.   

[Timothy]

It says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!" not, "Should not be infringed"....how much clearer does it need to be?

[TAB]

we have had  hundred+ years of court cases trying to figure out what it means.


Some people think back ground checks are infringment, others don't.   Some people think ccw permits are infringement, others don't.


 

[Timothy]

we have had  hundred+ years of court cases trying to figure out what it means.


Some people think back ground checks are infringement, others don't.   Some people think ccw permits are infringement, others don't.

Then they must be dumb asses because it's pretty damn clear to me!  I also don't really give a damn what "they" think anymore!

Again, I forget who I'm arguing with.......