Our Own Presidential Poll

[TAB]

I'm not argueing, just simply point out that others have diffrent ideas.

Reality what the SCOUS says is what matters.

[Timothy]

I'm not argueing, just simply point out that others have diffrent ideas.

Reality what the SCOUS says is what matters.

The Supreme Court is becoming irrelevant.  They've been subverted to some extent and they are some of the "they" I was referring too!  Make up your own mind and forget what the others think.

We are a country of miscreants who should question our government at every turn, fight every new law, make our voices heard and determine our own paths in life.  We are only 235 years past our own Independence and our memory is already fading as to the reasons we made that Declaration!

[TAB]

my mind is made up, on somehtings I agree with the SCOUS on others I don't.

[MikeBjerum]

thanks for making it clear as mud.   

BINGO!!!

Right there is a major part of the problem with the voting public!

[tombogan03884]

we have had  hundred+ years of court cases trying to figure out what it means.


Some people think back ground checks are infringment, others don't.   Some people think ccw permits are infringement, others don't.


 

Carry anything you have anywhere you happen to be going open, concealed, stuck up your ass if that's what your into.
That's keeping and being.



What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED  is so f*cking difficult for you to comprehend ?

[Sponsor]

[TAB]

so I should be able to carry a nuke anywhere I go?

I've heard people that have posted in this thread argue that.

[Rob10ring]

Infringement is a clearer concept than many SCOTUS justices will admit to. If there is a circle drawn on a surface and I put my hand just in past the edge of the circle, the circle has been infringed. If you have a right that is not to be infringed upon, any denial of that right, including any requirement to be able to exercise that right is an infringement. Perhaps the founders shouldn't have put an example of a reason to have the 2nd by including the well-regulated militia clause, but keeping and bearing are having what you deem appropriate and using/carrying as you see fit. Even Jefferson said that a firearm should accompany us all on our walks.

I appreciate TAB's idea of the value of training. But as a requirement? So if I have a certificate that says I completed So-and-So Ninja academy firearm training, does that make me safer than my father teaching me safety all my life? I'd say ultimately that we are all responsible for the actions we make regarding gun handling and we should be able to seek out whatever training that we desire. I may learn some skills that might save my life at the $1000 handgun course, but I can be plenty safe with the basic safety rules and dad's training. I do value some training still, but am absolutely against any requirement for it, or even for the requirement for a permit.

[fightingquaker13]

Infringement is a clearer concept than many SCOTUS justices will admit to. If there is a circle drawn on a surface and I put my hand just in past the edge of the circle, the circle has been infringed. If you have a right that is not to be infringed upon, any denial of that right, including any requirement to be able to exercise that right is an infringement. Perhaps the founders shouldn't have put an example of a reason to have the 2nd by including the well-regulated militia clause, but keeping and bearing are having what you deem appropriate and using/carrying as you see fit. Even Jefferson said that a firearm should accompany us all on our walks.

Well said. Its an example of how when one is writing a law (or anything else) sometimes its what is not said that is the most important thing. If they'd left it at "shall not be infringed" we could have saved a whole lot of trouble. Sometimes less is more.
FQ13

[bafsu92]

Infringement is a clearer concept than many SCOTUS justices will admit to. If there is a circle drawn on a surface and I put my hand just in past the edge of the circle, the circle has been infringed. If you have a right that is not to be infringed upon, any denial of that right, including any requirement to be able to exercise that right is an infringement. Perhaps the founders shouldn't have put an example of a reason to have the 2nd by including the well-regulated militia clause, but keeping and bearing are having what you deem appropriate and using/carrying as you see fit. Even Jefferson said that a firearm should accompany us all on our walks.

I appreciate TAB's idea of the value of training. But as a requirement? So if I have a certificate that says I completed So-and-So Ninja academy firearm training, does that make me safer than my father teaching me safety all my life? I'd say ultimately that we are all responsible for the actions we make regarding gun handling and we should be able to seek out whatever training that we desire. I may learn some skills that might save my life at the $1000 handgun course, but I can be plenty safe with the basic safety rules and dad's training. I do value some training still, but am absolutely against any requirement for it, or even for the requirement for a permit.

Rather than having a class or certificate requirement how about a written test along with shooting a qualifying score to get your ccw? It doesn't need to be to intense, more written safety based questions but still the need to prove you can get rounds on paper in a low stress situation should be a bare minimum requirement. I'd rather see a system similar to getting a driver's license than getting a "safety class certificate" from some mall ninja. When I lived in Tennessee to get my permit I had to shoot a qualifying score. For my security and PI licenses I had to shoot a qualifying score. I personally believe everyone should be able to carry with the least amount of government intrusion possible but at the same time I don't want some unsafe yahoo running around with a loaded firearm and no real training other than some class at a gun show. I'd like to see a system that is standardized federally, reciprocal in all 50 states but all documentation and records are maintained in your state of residence.

[tombogan03884]

Fine, but you also have to take a test to vote. You have to score over 75% on a civics test to prove your competent to vote .

Also, if you miss spell more than 2 words in a single post you lose your 1st amendment rights.