Author Topic: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83  (Read 3460 times)

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Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« on: June 03, 2011, 09:14:22 AM »
Well, win, lose, or draw.........Dr. Death is done.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/03/us-kevorkian-idUSTRE7523JP20110603


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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2011, 08:46:29 PM »
 The man was a ghoul and his death is no loss to this world, I wonder what he will find in the next.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”

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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2011, 08:56:54 PM »
Probably the same mercy he showed toward people who were suffering.

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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2011, 09:31:28 PM »
I had no problem with his methods. 

RIP Jack!

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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2011, 01:12:34 AM »
I had no problem with his methods. 
RIP Jack!

Me either. If my Dad chose to end his life on his terms, painlessly, rather than being eaten up by inoperable abdominal cancer, I would have been OK with that. Seeing a large man shrink to jaundiced skin and bone is not for the squeamish.

The least the AMA could do is give the same considerations to humans that we give to our pets.
If you're just having a bad day then no, I wouldn't agree with 'goodbye cruel world'.  Dr. K wasn't doing that.
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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2011, 01:28:06 AM »
Dittos to the above. I watched my uncle rot away from diabetes. He suffered blindness, weekly dialysis, amputations and the rest of it. He chose to stay on for his daughters. But it should have been his call, not the government's. Due respect to the Church, but I don't see a line in scripture that says you can't hasten the inevitable. As long as its your call and no one else's, its no one else's business.
FQ13 who has no quarrel with Jack. RIP.

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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2011, 06:39:49 AM »
I guess I thought he would have gone by suicide as well. Ironic.

Life is sacred. It should never be ended lightly. On one side I would argue the individual's right (assisted by definition takes it out of the individual realm, though) and on the other my biggest opposition comes from what I heard surrounding the healthcare law. Apparently, there were provisions for "end of life" counseling. If I go to a medical facility, I go to bet better. If assisted suicide is on the menu of options they can recommend, how do you think that will play out in a few decades?

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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2011, 06:56:28 AM »
I guess I thought he would have gone by suicide as well. Ironic.

Life is sacred. It should never be ended lightly. On one side I would argue the individual's right (assisted by definition takes it out of the individual realm, though) and on the other my biggest opposition comes from what I heard surrounding the healthcare law. Apparently, there were provisions for "end of life" counseling. If I go to a medical facility, I go to bet better. If assisted suicide is on the menu of options they can recommend, how do you think that will play out in a few decades?
It SHOULD be no different than abortion or life support. There is a menu of options. YOU, not the state, not the church, YOU choose. I'm pro-choice, but I detest forced abortion for that reason. Likewise, the call as to whether to be kept on life support or not should be mine. Same with getting a hot shot. No one should be able to pressure me into making that call.,  I should be able to make the choice. Alzheimers runs in my family. I ain't going out like that. Due respect to those who think I should spend my golden years drooling and not remembering my own name, but I think I'll stop the bus before it gets that far if I draw the sort straw in the genetics game. Its why I (and you) should have a living will with a big fat DNR order if things get too far gone. Remember Terry Shciavo, with the Religious Right saying taking her off life support was murder? Give me a break. ::) However, if you don't put it in writing, that could be you. Regardless of your beliefs, the best advice I can give you is to think and pray about these issues, and then spend the $400 to make a living will so YOUR wishes are honored. Rant over.
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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2011, 09:54:44 AM »
The concept that  "Life is sacred" is based purely on Christian dogma, (The Church didn't want to lose a single donor ).
The truth is that humans breed like rats and the majority of the worlds problems stem from to growing populations depending on dwindling resources.
It's no different than a rancher overgrazing his range, or a farmer exhausting his soil.

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Re: Controversial Kevorkian Dead at 83
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2011, 10:37:40 AM »
@Tom,

I know I used the word "sacred" which certainly brings up religious connotations, but I have to ask if you a question just to understand your viewpoint (not to spark a debate).

Do you feel that human life is no different than what we would call animal life?

Is the death of a person, dog, hog, deer, cow, or mosquito all on the same level.

By the way, most of these thoughts date much farther back than Christianity, so you can lay thoughts on the ethics of suicide at their doorstep. In ancient Greece it was outlawed. See http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/suicide/#AncClaVieSui

 

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