1911A2 Combat NCO-The world’s only 400-yard open sight accurate production pisto

[oteroman]

http://www.karllippard.com/military/
1911A2 Combat NCO-The world’s only 400-yard open sight accurate production pistol
At an open house at Ben Lamond Gun Club yesterday and I met and shot one of his pistols.
He was firing at a gong 600 yrds. away in brisk wind. He got my interest right away.
I thought some might be interested in his pistol (steep $$). He does accuracy upgrades on existing 1911's.
He has some interest statements about what his mods are and type of steel, what causes wear.
I am a old newbie...
Oteroman

[kmitch200]

I think I'll have to pass on that one...

A standard pistol of any make has a "Defensive" range of 12 feet to 20 yards. In contrast, A Combat NCO™ is an "Offensive" pistol and is effective from 2 feet to 400 yards. This difference in a combat setting means the battlefield is pushed back; that men survive; that we at last have a superior offensive pistol.

Huh?? 

[alfsauve]

I mean that's very neat and all, but I'd hardly call it a "Production" pistol.

[Solus]

Would be a very handy weapon to carry IWB if your mugger came at you from the far end of a football field.

[tombogan03884]

Any body do the math on on bullet energy of a 45ACP at 400 yards ?
The part KMitch quoted is pure BS as well.
My general opinion ?
Big deal, a "longslide", AMT was making them back in the 70's.
"Built to Mil. Spec"  BFD, so wasn't the 1847 Horse pistol, that doesn't mean I want my life to depend on one.
They would have been better off to say "We build really nice pistols" rather than this crap only a mall ninja would believe.

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[fightingquaker13]

The only way you're getting combat anything out a .45 at 400 yards is if you are shooting it out of an airplane. Ringing steel? Maybe, 100 yards is routine with Desert Eagles and the like using high velocity rounds like 10mm, but .45 out of a 1911 at that range? Well, given that a 230 grain bullet will have dropped about 14 inches at a hundred yards, it might seem doable. A one foot hold over on a silhouette is not a problem. But the rate of drop isn't constant as velocity is decreasing. The holdover is 81 inches at 200 yards, Good luck with that. At 400 you do the math. Survey says bullshit.
FQ13

Here's one of the URLS I looked at. Its a bit from Cheaper than dirt. Its on the net it must be true right? But it makes a lot more sense than the OP.
http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=4216

[sledgemeister]

http://www.karllippard.com/military/
1911A2 Combat NCO-The world’s only 400-yard open sight accurate production pistol
At an open house at Ben Lamond Gun Club yesterday and I met and shot one of his pistols.
He was firing at a gong 600 yrds. away in brisk wind. He got my interest right away.
I thought some might be interested in his pistol (steep $$). He does accuracy upgrades on existing 1911's.
He has some interest statements about what his mods are and type of steel, what causes wear.
I am a old newbie...
Oteroman

cough cough bullshit cough
Beats me how he can claim that its an effective 400 yrd defensive weapon. unless the free fall weight is capable of causing a nasty bruise.
Damn the 45 goes from dropping 4" at 100 to nearly 50" at 200, extrapliate that and one would have to adjust for nearly 8 feet of bullet drop. The momentum or energy left after that distance might hurt but wouldnt incapacitate anyone IF you could hit some one that is.
Sure might look fancy hitting a gong at 600 yrds and yeah its good (great) shooting but the average smo is lucky to hit a man size target at 100 let alone the claimed 400.
Maybe be it should only be available to those special ninja types

[TAB]

I just did the math for standard 230 grain ball   850 fps out the muzzle and a BC of .195

zeroed at 25 yds( that is standard for most 1911)

at the muzzle

850 fps  369 energy

100 yds 797 fps  324 ftlbs 25.95" drop

200   751  288  106.58"

300 711  258  248.25"

400  674  232 457.53"

So it would still most likly be fatal.    The bullet would be in the air for ~1.6 seconds

[Paraguy]

What if you were holding it sideways all gangster style, maybe then it could be done.
I guess what they are saying, is that if you can do this "trick" with it, and shooting a target 400 yards away with a .45 IS a trick shot, then imagine how good it is at 7-25 yards.  Guess it is like a car than can do 225 MPH is better than one that can do 140 MPH even though you would never drive either at that speed.

[Solus]

Played with Sierra's ballistic program a few years ago and used the 230gr .45ACP at 850fps and tried different zero ranges to see what came up.

I don't remember the exact zero range but I think it was near 35yds.

At that zero, the bullet path would be within +/- 4 inches of point of aim out to 50yds.

You could zero this gun for 400yds and anything real close might still get hit, but the farther out you go, the less likely a hit.