Oppose HR 2164 the selling out of America

[rojawe]

Alert! HR 2164, The Legal Workforce Act Will Make E-Verify Mandatory & Permanent!

The Chair of the House Judiciary Committee, Lamar Smith (R-TX) has introduced an important bill to mandate E-Verify usage by employers.

HR 2164, The Legal Workforce Act would phase in the employment verification system over three years and make it permanent. Large employers, government agencies, and government contractors would have six months to comply. The bill would increase the penalties for businesses that fail to use the system, and it explicitly protects the rights of state and local governments to revoke the business licenses of employers who refuse to comply. We will be working hard to make sure that the bill is made even stronger so that any additional states' enforcement rights are not pre-empted.

Making E-Verify mandatory and permanent is an important step in putting millions of Americans back to work and fixing our broken immigration system. It will go after those unscrupulous businesses who purposely seek to exploit illegal immigrant labor and also help to deter identify theft.

It takes the states out of the power loop and leaves Big Big loopholes for illegals and Lamar Smith has sold out to the Chamber of Commerce. Please oppose this HR2164 and help save the American Labor. Do you trust the Gov to have full power on applying E-Verify and the States would lose the power.

[fightingquaker13]

Sorry ROWJAWE, I think mandating E-verify (while imperfect) is a step in the  right direction . Most states are doing little to nothing, and those that are are wrapped up in court challenges. I have said a thousand times that we will never solve this problem as long as people hire illegals.If you build it they will come. I'm with Lamar on this one.
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[tombogan03884]

Making E-verify mandatory is a good first step toward immigration control Chicken Little.

[Rastus]

Another feel good law that imposes burdens on law abiding citizens at the sacrifice of privacy and rights.

More head-fake laws when all they need to do is enforce what we have...which by decision of scum policitians laws are not enforced....then we get this crap where they will burn law abiding citizens and companies with fines, burden them with regulations and bloat government with more useless drones sucking up cash from our pockets.

The same people who fall for this law may well believe in the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus and make the point that not everyone should vote...some people clearly lack discernment.  Evaluation of past performance can be a predictor of future performance...i.e., some people are sorry for voting for Carter and/or Obama now...but they still believe in their ability to discern and cling on to their beliefs by blaming their failures on something or somebody else.

Sorry to burst your bubble you guys who wait up for the big guy on the night of Dec. 24th....

[crusader rabbit]

Day-yum...  I find myself in agreement with FQ...

Surely, this must be a sign of the coming Apocolypse.

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[tombogan03884]

Another feel good law that imposes burdens on law abiding citizens at the sacrifice of privacy and rights.

More head-fake laws when all they need to do is enforce what we have...which by decision of scum policitians laws are not enforced....then we get this crap where they will burn law abiding citizens and companies with fines, burden them with regulations and bloat government with more useless drones sucking up cash from our pockets.

The same people who fall for this law may well believe in the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus and make the point that not everyone should vote...some people clearly lack discernment.  Evaluation of past performance can be a predictor of future performance...i.e., some people are sorry for voting for Carter and/or Obama now...but they still believe in their ability to discern and cling on to their beliefs by blaming their failures on something or somebody else.

Sorry to burst your bubble you guys who wait up for the big guy on the night of Dec. 24th....

So what you're saying is you oppose requiring employers to verify the citizenship status of applicants ?
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[MikeBjerum]

Here is my stance, and you tell me where I stand:

We have several tools available to law enforcement and employers to reasonably determine if a person is legal.  Develop a system and use it.  If you end up supporting an illegal and get caught you must show your written policy, how it was developed and if it was followed.  If your policy or execution is shoddy - You are screwed, but if you did the best you can and the slime still slipped by - It goes on your record, but unless there is a patter that turns shoddy we'll work with you.

How does that work for you?

[Pathfinder]

Rastus, I understand your reluctance to support this, as am I. We do not need or want more Federal laws, we want fewer. But I view this akin to the CCW reciprocity bill - we should not need it but we do need it to force those states that won't chase down the illegals, like CA, IL, MA, NY et al. to do so. The potential for abuse is huge too, so maybe put a sunset clause in it, like 10 years? By then, it will be ingrained in businesses to the point they will not easily undo it. That would be my hope anyhow.

[tombogan03884]

E- verify is one of those above mentioned tools.
Stopping illegal immigration requires 3 things,
1 Eliminate benefits for illegals, since these were put in place by Dems that would require electing TEA Party conservatives who will enforce the law
2 eliminate the jobs for them, that means requiring verified proof of legal residency and holding employers accountable.
3 Deport them when caught.

[fightingquaker13]

Here is my stance, and you tell me where I stand:

We have several tools available to law enforcement and employers to reasonably determine if a person is legal.  Develop a system and use it.  If you end up supporting an illegal and get caught you must show your written policy, how it was developed and if it was followed.  If your policy or execution is shoddy - You are screwed, but if you did the best you can and the slime still slipped by - It goes on your record, but unless there is a patter that turns shoddy we'll work with you.

How does that work for you?

Sounds good to me. Using e-verify should be an affirmative defense. Its not your fault if the green card is faked or stolen, if it comes back good from Uncle Sam you are good to go. However, we need to make sure you can't "head fake" this to quote Rastus by just hiring temps from an agency. You should have to show that they have a policy of using e-verify as well (written in your contract say), otherwise its easy to avoid. But if you combine this with running sting operations on the guys who hire from the day labor pools you will see a change. If folks can't find work they will leave. Arizona chased a lot of folks out even though its law is still tied up in court. If there is a nationwide requirement for e-verify, I don't think I need to believe in the Great Pumpkin to think its going make it a lot harder for illegals to get hired, and that's a good thing.
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