If Only They Would Come Back

[1Buckshot]

This was in the opinion page of the local paper this morning. It sure seems to fit the way the country is run now and the way a lot of us feel.

Dear forefathers,

As I sit here and revel upon the beauty of where I live and watch the multiple hues of the clouds rolling by, with the quenching warmth of the rain as it drips from the brightly colored petals of the springtime flowers, I have to wonder what you would be wondering were you here.

I can imagine when you were here, that you saw a beautiful but wild country that flowed with hope and despair, with isolation and centralization, with agreeance and discordance, but you must have felt you could change the world.

When I sit and ponder what your visions for our country must have been, I believe you made enormous sacrifices for your people and country and that your differences for your opposite were handled with respect and regard and that you had the wherewithal to challenge those to do better with what they had.

One can only imagine the adversity you were faced with on a daily basis, how you saw your people enveloped within such tyranny directed from abroad, how you came together for the common good of the people, how you rose in defiance against those who meant to rule you and how you penned the most meaningful words of our country, if not our world.

Could you have ever imagined where your country would go; could you ever think it would sink so low? When you gave us our rights to bear our arms, did you ever envision it would go so far? When you set out to guarantee our right of free speech, did you ever think it would get this deep? When you created our governmental branches to speak for "we the people," could you ever have thought our voices would be muted? When you united these states, did you ever believe we could be so divided?

I wonder, my forefathers, if you were amongst us now would you not pen your words to reflect a different plight?

You see, my forefathers, as we have grown and diversified in our country there have been many changes along the way. Where we were once many and proud we are now divided and discontent. We were once proud of our flag but now many will burn it and drag it while saying, "It is our freedom of speech that allows this." We once were strong with a voice for the world, but now we are reviled throughout most; we were once safe but now we are not, neither in our own home nor across the sea.

I am sorry, my forefathers, to let you know that all that you did for us has gone awry. We would rather quarrel and stand on party lines than do what is right most of the time. We would rather muscle others from abroad, than take care of us with the almighty above.

If you have some free time and you would not mind, I, amongst many, would welcome your return, for we need your strength and absolute courage to keep many of us from being discouraged. We need your guidance and your wisdom too, to counteract what our politicians do. If you would come we all would be there, for you were us and we are you.

In closing, if I may say that we want to believe and we want to unite, we need true leaders who will do what's right and this we know, you had the fight. We are many but can become one; united we stand but divided we fall.

Sincerely and respectfully, your son, Mark



Read more: http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/columnists/article_af10ff56-a8a5-11e0-9790-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1RRKTlNNm

http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/columnists/article_af10ff56-a8a5-11e0-9790-001cc4c03286.html

[tombogan03884]

Sounds nice but there are a few touchy feelie BS errors.
FTA; "I believe you made enormous sacrifices for your people and country and that your differences for your opposite were handled with respect and regard"

Tax agents in  Mass Pa. and NY were all beaten in the streets, several were tarred and feathered, in Boston and NY the Kings revenue agents had their homes ransacked and burned, in NY the house was disassembled and burned in a bonfire in the street. The agents carriage was placed on top of the pile. In Virginia the Govenor felt so threatened that he took up residence aboard a warship anchored off Norfolk.

FTA: "how you came together for the common good of the people, how you rose in defiance against those who meant to rule you "
Several colonies, such as NY, Maryland, and Delaware, refused to face the facts of an open break even after the evacuation of Boston, that was why the Continental Congress was forced to send the so called "Olive Branch petition" before they declared independence. It is also worth noting that the Bill of Rights was not ratified by all 14 colonies (including Vermont )  until the 1930's.

http://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html

12   Massachusetts   Mar 2, 1939   
13   Georgia   Mar 18, 1939   
14   Connecticut   Apr 19, 1939

FTA; "Could you have ever imagined where your country would go; could you ever think it would sink so low? When you gave us our rights to bear our arms, did you ever envision it would go so far? When you set out to guarantee our right of free speech, did you ever think it would get this deep? When you created our governmental branches to speak for "we the people," could you ever have thought our voices would be muted? When you united these states, did you ever believe we could be so divided?"

Yes, anyone who has skimmed through the "Federalist Papers" knows that the founders knew exactly how screwed up their system would get if dead beats, drones and every ne'er do well with a pulse was allowed to vote. They also spend several pages describing the disaster that would occur if the system were to become dominated by "faction", (the 2 party system )

This guy could have written a more accurate letter in 4 words, "Sorry, We weren't worthy."

[1Buckshot]

Tom and others,
 I do believe this was to be a mans thought not a history lesson, But as always there is some a** that has to come on and make a point to make them selves look like the smart man on the block. How about you leave it as is and stop trying to show every one how smart some of you think you are. If I'm right, it just makes you look like jerks to most people how read this forum. Believe me there are a lot people that read but do not post on this forum in fear of being made to look like a idiot by others for there own joy. RANT OFF

[tombogan03884]

How about learning your history instead of posting touchy feely revisionist BS ?

[1Buckshot]

I posted something out of the paper I liked. This had nothing to do about what I know about history. Keep you mind on the subject.
By the way, maybe I like Touchy feely things.
Especially if they have Red Hair and Green Eyes

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[JC5123]

Tom and others,
 I do believe this was to be a mans thought not a history lesson, But as always there is some a** that has to come on and make a point to make them selves look like the smart man on the block. How about you leave it as is and stop trying to show every one how smart some of you think you are. If I'm right, it just makes you look like jerks to most people how read this forum. Believe me there are a lot people that read but do not post on this forum in fear of being made to look like a idiot by others for there own joy. RANT OFF

While I agree with your sentiments on the article, the reason that Tom is shredding it's lack of historical context is simple: It is the liberal agenda and making everything "touchy feely" that has caused a big part of the mess we're in now. We are at an impasse in this country, and unless we make the hard choices that will look cruel to some, we will lose our nation. This isn't a forum for singing cumbaya. One of the things that we pride ourselves on here is having honest discussions. That means laying out the facts. Even if someone might be offended. Because I speak for just about everyone here, that accurate information is more important than information that makes you feel good. I for one would rather be right and respected, than wrong and liked.

[Badgersmilk]

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[fightingquaker13]

While I agree with your sentiments on the article, the reason that Tom is shredding it's lack of historical context is simple: It is the liberal agenda and making everything "touchy feely" that has caused a big part of the mess we're in now. We are at an impasse in this country, and unless we make the hard choices that will look cruel to some, we will lose our nation. This isn't a forum for singing cumbaya. One of the things that we pride ourselves on here is having honest discussions. That means laying out the facts. Even if someone might be offended. Because I speak for just about everyone here, that accurate information is more important than information that makes you feel good. I for one would rather be right and respected, than wrong and liked.

Liberal agenda my ass. Where Tom and I bond is that we are both realists  (we part company on the ends, but we are in agreement that the means tend to get a bit messy historically speaking). As a result, we tend to piss those of you off who think that virtue can be found in any particular ideology. Here's the deal, its a cold and complicated world and its all about shades of grey. The Founders got that. Hell the Constitution, from the 3/5Th's clause to the Bill of Rights and the Connecticut Compromise recognizes this. Sorry Number one Buckshot. Its not Tom trying to be a smart ass, its him pointing out that part of the reason we look up to the founders has been obscured by touchy freely BS from the RIGHT, not the left. The left says they are evil slave owners. The right basically repeats the saccharine hagiography in your article. The reality? They were smart and practical men who cared about winning. It ain't the liberals making Hamilton and Adams touchy freely. Its Hannity, Coulter and Rush. They are idiots. The founders were about as cuddly as James Carville and Karl Rove.  That's why we freaking won the war! Lets put our morality plays on the shelf and learn the real lessons of the founding. Just saying.
FQ13 who for once agrees with Tom 100%.
PS kudos for saying you'd rather speak the truth as you understand it and take your lumps, rathers than be popular. Its a bit lonely out here, but I like the view. Always glad to get a neighbor.

[Badgersmilk]

Our nations biggest hero, G. Washington crossed the river in 1776, attacked and slaughtered the unsuspecting enemy.  

On Christmas Eve!!!    Why do you think the enemy was all "unsuspecting", half drunk, and completely unprepared for an attack?

If we did something like that today how do you think it'd go over?  Washington would be tried in court and jailed for life if not put in the chair.  It's CERTAINLY not because we're better Christians today!  It's because we're bleeding heart pantie wastes.

[tombogan03884]

Another thing that really irritates me is the crap about God inspiring the Constitution .
The Constitution is a POLITICAL document, hammered out by a bunch of rich men, lawyers, and political activists.
The only reason it eventually got accepted was because Franklin closed the windows on a fly filled room during the summer in Philadelphia, and wouldn't let any one leave until they had a damned final copy. It was approve it, or get heat stroke.
One of the main reasons it does not address slavery is because the Southern delegates NEEDED their farm equipment.
Jefferson wanted to abolish slavery but could not. He was such a piss poor money manager that he couldn't free his own slaves, they were mortgaged.
If it actually had been handed down from Mount Sinai it would not contain the flaws and loop holes that have been used to screw the American people since the day it went into effect.
 
Another comment to add to my original post.
This crap about being "respectful" and having "regard" for their opponents is exactly the mentality that turned America into a nation of gutless faggots that would even consider sitting back and letting a tax cheat run the Treasury, an attorney General who tries cases (or not ) based on race, a "law enforcement" agency running guns to drug cartels , and a "Justice Dept" that tries to punish states for trying to slow the invasion from Mexico.
If Americans had any balls left they would be hanging these mothe*f#ckers from the light poles.