Execution For Illegal Alien Tonight In Texas,...Guess Whose Trying To Stop It?

[justwannashoot]

Just to clarify one point. Nobody denied him access to his consulate. The detail is that he wasn't informed that he had a right to talk to his consulate. Similar to Miranda rights

[Pathfinder]

TW.
 Exactly what part of honoring treaty obligations, whether you like it or not, are you having trouble with? Look, the guy is a murdering rapist. So are a thousand other guys. Do you really care if he dies or gets life? I sure as hell don't, and the most useful thing he will ever do on this earth is to be an example that the Vienna convention is honored by the US and we expect others to honor it for our nationals. What part of this is problematic for you? Why do you care if this guy lives or dies? He has sacrificed his right to live by the rape and murder he committed. Now, he belongs to us and we should dispose of him in the most productive manner possible, which in this case means honoring our treaty obligations. What is the problem with this?
FQ13

It has nothing to do with our opinions or what we think. It has everything to do with Texas sovereignty and their legal process being followed. Personal revulsion against this lowlife aside, the SCOTUS ruled that there was nothing for them to review due to the lack of any kind of legal argument. So Texas did what Texas should have been allowed to do without any interference from bho or Holder.

What part of this are you having trouble with?

[fightingquaker13]

It has nothing to do with our opinions or what we think. It has everything to do with Texas sovereignty and their legal process being followed. Personal revulsion against this lowlife aside, the SCOTUS ruled that there was nothing for them to review due to the lack of any kind of legal argument. So Texas did what Texas should have been allowed to do without any interference from bho or Holder.

What part of this are you having trouble with?

I guess here is where we part company. The Supremacy Clause means US law trumps Tx. law. Scotus ruled and I will accept it, but I think they are wrong. I think if we put ink to a treaty we should honor it and demand the other party does likewise. I'm willing to walk away from this mess, but I think that state sovereignty becomes irrelevant when issues of IR are concerned, and I'll rely on Article I for that. Still, the Court has spoken and I defer. You win Path, but I still think that this will bite us in the ass with our nationals sooner rather than later.
FQ13

[Pathfinder]

I guess here is where we part company. The Supremacy Clause means US law trumps Tx. law. Scotus ruled and I will accept it, but I think they are wrong. I think if we put ink to a treaty we should honor it and demand the other party does likewise. I'm willing to walk away from this mess, but I think that state sovereignty becomes irrelevant when issues of IR are concerned, and I'll rely on Article I for that. Still, the Court has spoken and I defer. You win Path, but I still think that this will bite us in the ass with our nationals sooner rather than later.
FQ13

If anyone wants me, I'll be the Motivational Posters thread!         

[twyacht]

Vienna Convention can mean any of a number of treaties signed in Vienna. Notable are:

    * several treaties and conventions resulted from the Congress of Vienna (1814-1815) which redrew the map of Europe, only partially restoring the pre-Napoleonic situation, and drafted new rules for international relations
    * Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (1961)
    * Vienna Convention on Civil Liability for Nuclear Damage (1963)
    * Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963)
    * Vienna Convention on Road Traffic (1968)
    * Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals (1968)
    * Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (1969)
    * Vienna Convention on the Representation of States in their Relations with International Organizations of a Universal Character (1975) [1],[2]
    * Convention on the issue of multilingual extracts from civil status records (1976)
    * Vienna Convention on Succession of States in respect of Treaties (1978)
    * United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods (1980)
    * Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer (1985)
    * Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties between States and International Organizations or Between International Organizations (1986)
    * Vienna Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances (1988)


 gee, a trelaty regarding nuclear damage, and road traffic, illicit drugs, the ozone, and universal character..no mention of dirtbag child killing rapists.

The New World pacifist order, met Texas, albeit long overdue, justice.  By a 5-4 margin, the "4" lib justices sided with International Law....

Thankfully, the "5" saw this as a stunt, a ploy, a pandering, and having NO merit on STATES RIGHTS.

And yes I care if he dies or gets life.....States are trying to save money, and one less on death row is cost effective.

Honor our treaty obligations,.......?

Go to Texas....

[Sponsor]

[tombogan03884]

Yep, that's me, a tool, a mouth breathing idiot who thinks that maybe a college kid who gets busted in Mexico might like to be given the chance to call our embassy before looking at serious time in a Mexican prison. You are totally correct Path, executing this guy is far, far, more important than protecting the tens of thousands of Americans who go to Mexico every year. I am a fool, a socialist and a hater of the flag and I bow before your righteousness . How silly of me to listen to two presidents and allow realpolitik to get in the way of a good self righteous rant.
FQ13 who would apologize for unloading, but I think we both know its fair.Understand that its a cold hard wiorld and we live in in it Path, your precious morals mean diddly and squat. When it comes to IR, you do what works. The rest is BS.

I couldn't have summed it up better myself.  Try "adenoidal moron" next time, that used to be one of my Dad's favorite descriptive s.

[crusader rabbit]

Well, now it don't matter how you cut it...  The sumbitch is shakin' hands with Satan tonight.  Good riddance.  And stay strong, Texas.  You may be our final hope!

[tombogan03884]

Burn baby, BURN !

[Rastus]

I think I read somewhere that this guy had been here since he was two years old?  Did ya'll see that?  Because it matters...if true this is looking like somekind of POTUS test case that blends Mexico with the US when it gets right down to it.

Nonetheless, the Supreme Court decided there were no overriding treaties.  Duh.  I believe everything stated by the defense is truthful right along with the part about the tooth fairy and Santa Claus....really, I'm an adult, I can discern truth and fiction.

And, where does the federal government have the right to overturn murder conviction by the state anyway?  Guess they don't, HA...HA..one more time...HA.

College kid messing around in Mexico gets accosted and goes to prison...I guess that will have serious consequences after our dollar is trashed and the peso is worth more than a dollar.  Nothing but toilet paper to bribe the federales with.....  What does BHO and George Soros know we don't know....

[twyacht]

Article 36, of the Vienna Convention for Consular Relations,....1963. It, OF COURSE, is part of the United Nations...

(b) if he so requests, the competent authorities of the receiving State shall, without delay, inform the
consular post of the sending State if, within its consular district, a national of that State is arrested or
committed to prison or to custody pending trial or is detained in any other manner. Any communication
addressed to the consular post by the person arrested, in prison, custody or detention shall be forwarded
by the said authorities without delay. The said authorities shall inform the person concerned without
delay of his rights under this subparagraph;
(c) consular officers shall have the right to visit a national of the sending State who is in prison,
custody or detention, to converse and correspond with him and to arrange for his legal representation.
They shall also have the right to visit any national of the sending State who is in prison, custody or
detention in their district in pursuance of a judgement. Nevertheless, consular officers shall refrain from
taking action on behalf of a national who is in prison, custody or detention if he expressly opposes such
action.

After all those years in prison,.....he never requested it, (unlikely as his family probably did)....or was blown off by Mexico...PERIOD, END OF STORY.


Leal nor his defense attorneys asked for such assistance before his trial, or that article 36 of the Vienna Convention which she refers to does not seem to require arresting authorities to contact a prisoner’s home country unless he requests it.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2011/07/08/msnbc-s-maddow-incorrectly-claims-texas-broke-law-executing-murderer

Stop watching Rachel Maddow FQ,....it's just bad for you. That's why the SCOTUS said "NO"...

Rastus:

And, where does the federal govrernment have the right to overturn murder conviction by the state anyway?  Guess they don't, HA...HA..one more time...HA.

NO Treaty Violation....Just a long overdue DEAD Mexican scumbag.

* and that's all I have to say about that....*