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Gun runner and it goes to the top
« on: July 08, 2011, 09:54:34 PM »
One of the kingpins of the infamous Los Zetas drug running gang has told Mexican federal police that the group purchased its weapons directly from U.S. government officials inside America, a revelation that will only serve to heighten suspicions that the Obama administration’s Operation Fast and Furious program was a deliberate attempt to undermine the Second Amendment by stealth.

Under Operation Fast and Furious, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives “Sanctioned the purchase of weapons in U.S. gun shops and tracked the smuggling route to the Mexican border. Reportedly, more than 2,500 firearms were sold to straw buyers who then handed off the weapons to gunrunners under the nose of ATF.” Some of the weapons were later used to kill US Border Patrol agents like Brian Terry.

However, according to the testimony of Rejón Aguilar, one of the original seven members of Los Zetas who was recently captured by police, in some cases Mexican drug gangs did not have to wait until the firearms reached the border – they purchased guns directly from the US government itself inside America.

In an interview with Mexican federal police that was later uploaded to You Tube and translated, Aguilar sensationally blows the whistle on how the Zetas’ weapons were obtained straight from U.S. federal authorities.

“They are bought in the U.S. The buyers (on the U.S. side of the border) have said in the past that sometimes they would acquire them from the U.S. Government itself,” Aguilar told police.

In a Spanish-language newspaper story on the issue, the translated report states, “Last Sunday, members of the Federal Police detained in the state of Mexico Z-7, one of the 14 leaders and founders of the Zetas who in one of his main statements affirmed that there are elements of the United States government who are furnishing arms to the Mexican cartels.”

Some have questioned the legitimacy of efforts on behalf of the US government to catch drug smuggling kingpins in Mexico by way of sting operations involving firearms, the reason offered by the Obama administration as the motivation behind Fast and Furious, given the fact that those same kingpins are in many cases working for US intelligence itself.

As we reported years ago, former DEA agent Cele Castillo has blown the whistle on how the US government controls the Los Zetas drug smuggling gang and uses it as the front group for their narco-empire.

With the gang having first been trained at the infamous School of the Americas in Fort Benning, Georgia, Castillo affirms that Los Zetas are still working for the US government in protecting drug routes to keep the wheels of Wall Street well-oiled. Castillo has gone on the record to state that the commandos are working directly for the US government drug cartel in carrying out hits on rival drug smugglers who aren’t paying their cut.

In addition, it was recently revealed that Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla, the “logistical coordinator” for another top Mexican drug-trafficking gang, Sinaloa, the organization responsible for purchasing the CIA torture jet that crashed with four tons on cocaine on board back in 2007, also obtained guns from the U.S. that were later used to kill people in Mexico City. Niebla recently told the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois in Chicago that he has been working for the U.S. government since January 2004.

The Obama administration has repeatedly invoked rhetoric about the flow of guns being smuggled from the U.S. into Mexico as a talking point with which to chill gun rights of American citizens, repeating the demonstrably false myth that 90% of weapons confiscated by Mexican authorities originate in the U.S.

Despite the establishment media attempting to debunk the notion that Fast and Furious was a deliberate effort on behalf of Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder to demonize gun rights by pointing to the flow of guns from the U.S. to Mexico, a process now revealed to have been largely overseen by the federal government itself, the fallout from the scandal, with no one in the administration willing to admit culpability, is starting to confirm precisely that premise.

Indeed, during a March 30 meeting between Jim and Sarah Brady and White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, at which Obama “dropped in,” the president reportedly told Brady, “I just want you to know that we are working on it (gun control)….We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.” The quote appeared in an April 11 Washington Post story about Obama’s gun control czar Steve Croley.

Given the fact that arrested Mexican drug runners are now admitting that they both worked directly for and bought weapons from the US government, the notion that Fast and Furious was an Obama administration plot to attack the second amendment by stealth is perfectly plausible.

Watch the video interview in Spanish with Rejón Aguilar below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YUD5Tcq9NIw
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Re: Gun runner and it goes to the top
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 10:55:38 PM »
One of the kingpins of the infamous Los Zetas drug running gang has told Mexican federal police that the group purchased its weapons directly from U.S. government officials inside America, a revelation that will only serve to heighten suspicions that the Obama administration’s Operation Fast and Furious program was a deliberate attempt to undermine the Second Amendment by stealth.

Under Operation Fast and Furious, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives “Sanctioned the purchase of weapons in U.S. gun shops and tracked the smuggling route to the Mexican border. Reportedly, more than 2,500 firearms were sold to straw buyers who then handed off the weapons to gunrunners under the nose of ATF.” Some of the weapons were later used to kill US Border Patrol agents like Brian Terry.

However, according to the testimony of Rejón Aguilar, one of the original seven members of Los Zetas who was recently captured by police, in some cases Mexican drug gangs did not have to wait until the firearms reached the border – they purchased guns directly from the US government itself inside America.

In an interview with Mexican federal police that was later uploaded to You Tube and translated, Aguilar sensationally blows the whistle on how the Zetas’ weapons were obtained straight from U.S. federal authorities.

“They are bought in the U.S. The buyers (on the U.S. side of the border) have said in the past that sometimes they would acquire them from the U.S. Government itself,” Aguilar told police.

In a Spanish-language newspaper story on the issue, the translated report states, “Last Sunday, members of the Federal Police detained in the state of Mexico Z-7, one of the 14 leaders and founders of the Zetas who in one of his main statements affirmed that there are elements of the United States government who are furnishing arms to the Mexican cartels.”

Some have questioned the legitimacy of efforts on behalf of the US government to catch drug smuggling kingpins in Mexico by way of sting operations involving firearms, the reason offered by the Obama administration as the motivation behind Fast and Furious, given the fact that those same kingpins are in many cases working for US intelligence itself.

As we reported years ago, former DEA agent Cele Castillo has blown the whistle on how the US government controls the Los Zetas drug smuggling gang and uses it as the front group for their narco-empire.

With the gang having first been trained at the infamous School of the Americas in Fort Benning, Georgia, Castillo affirms that Los Zetas are still working for the US government in protecting drug routes to keep the wheels of Wall Street well-oiled
. Castillo has gone on the record to state that the commandos are working directly for the US government drug cartel in carrying out hits on rival drug smugglers who aren’t paying their cut.

In addition, it was recently revealed that Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla, the “logistical coordinator” for another top Mexican drug-trafficking gang, Sinaloa, the organization responsible for purchasing the CIA torture jet that crashed with four tons on cocaine on board back in 2007, also obtained guns from the U.S. that were later used to kill people in Mexico City. Niebla recently told the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois in Chicago that he has been working for the U.S. government since January 2004.

The Obama administration has repeatedly invoked rhetoric about the flow of guns being smuggled from the U.S. into Mexico as a talking point with which to chill gun rights of American citizens, repeating the demonstrably false myth that 90% of weapons confiscated by Mexican authorities originate in the U.S.

Despite the establishment media attempting to debunk the notion that Fast and Furious was a deliberate effort on behalf of Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder to demonize gun rights by pointing to the flow of guns from the U.S. to Mexico, a process now revealed to have been largely overseen by the federal government itself, the fallout from the scandal, with no one in the administration willing to admit culpability, is starting to confirm precisely that premise.

Indeed, during a March 30 meeting between Jim and Sarah Brady and White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, at which Obama “dropped in,” the president reportedly told Brady, “I just want you to know that we are working on it (gun control)….We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.” The quote appeared in an April 11 Washington Post story about Obama’s gun control czar Steve Croley.

Given the fact that arrested Mexican drug runners are now admitting that they both worked directly for and bought weapons from the US government, the notion that Fast and Furious was an Obama administration plot to attack the second amendment by stealth is perfectly plausible.

Watch the video interview in Spanish with Rejón Aguilar below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YUD5Tcq9NIw

I'm as willing as the next guy to believe anything bad about the BO administration, but this is a load of shit.
Rojawe, your sources suck.
It's tools like you that bring discredit to those who accuse the Obama regime of actual wrong doing.

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Re: Gun runner and it goes to the top
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 06:00:45 AM »
Interesting comment, Tom, insofar as rojawe didn't even provide a source for the article, just a Youtube link.

R - do you have a source for the article? Hopefully not Alex Jones . . . .  ::)

Sad fact is, the highlighted part in Tom's quote is plausible - the US gummint has done worse.
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Re: Gun runner and it goes to the top
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 12:28:40 PM »
Path, the high lighted part is what killed it for me.
The "School of the America's is simply a school that trains South and Central American military personnel in modern methods of tactics, command, and logistics.
It was a favorite media demon of the leftist press as far back as the 60's.
Seeing 50 year old KGB propaganda such as this removes any credibility the story may have had.

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Re: Gun runner and it goes to the top
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 09:40:49 PM »
Well if you Nasayers  would get off you butt and look it's all over the net and from many sources DUH Keep you head stuck where the sun doesn't shine. Look

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gunrunnerprobe-doj-charlesgrassley-darrylissa/2011/07/06/id/402689?s=al&promo_code=C914-1

ERIC HOLDER'S LONG EXPERIENCE WITH GUN RUNNERS
Holder defended Columbian gun running scam in 2007

The DOJ/ATF "Gun Walker" scandal isn't the first time Eric Holder's name has come up in association with gun runners and terrorist organizations.  Just a few years ago Holder acted as defense attorney for one of the largest gun running scandals in recent history.
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Re: Gun runner and it goes to the top
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2011, 12:14:31 AM »
It's on the net, it must be true !
no body is doubting that Obama and Holder authorized Gunrunner to supply a pretext for infringing the 2d A.
Only a gullible ass would believe that Los Zetas, or any other drug cartel is a US govt operation, or that the School of the Americas is a training center for drug cartel operators.
For one thing, drug cartels make a shit load of profit, that clears the US gov right there. Those assholes couldn't make a profit renting women and selling booze. It's documented that the US Gov lost money running one of, if not the best known whorehouses in the country.
Loosen up the tin foil and do a little independent research . Try using sources that don't reference the "Elders of Zion".

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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 12:45:20 AM »
It's reported that "80% of all crime in the US is directly related to meth".  


Cool off their quaker.  My point wasn't to "blame the drug".  Simply to state the fact, or at least the fact "as reported on tv news"  ::).  If the fact is true (could be) and meth weren't available, it would no doubt be cocain or heroin, or laundry detergent.  So make of the fact what you want.  Don't try to read minds.  

What it conjures in my mind is.  If they want the damn stuff...  Let them have it!  Legalize it so they can smoke, inject, sniff, all they want.  Stop wasting my tax $$ on trying to stop a demand.  Surely to piss you off somehow, but here's another quote / fact.  "Where there's a demand, THERE WILL BE A SUPPLY".  I fully believe that one.

And I do still believe "The War on Drugs" exists simply to invoke fear on US citizens so they won't resist added Government control over them.  So it won't be going away. It just works to damn well!


As far as the "Gunrunner" issue.  If it goes that far up in our government its time to look at bigger issues here.  What was the real motivator?  Not to make a few bucks selling guns to Speedy Gonzalez.  Not some silly little deal to figure out who would buy and how much if we offered to sell.  To even further destabilize the Mexican government?  Seems the obvious choice to me.  But REALLY?  From what I've seen even if thats what we want, they don't seem to need our efforts in that!  Their doing fine screwing that up on their own.  So what then???

Is bama involved?  He sure seems to be micromanaging everything else to minute detail...

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Re: Gun runner and it goes to the top
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2011, 06:31:03 AM »
Please see the post I put up in the Politics and RKBA thread.

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=16866.msg216590#new

2009 C-Span Video by Asst. AG Ogden.

Operation Castaway is developing out of the Tampa Field Office. (same game involving Honduras)
Houston Field Office developing also.

David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh blew the lid off Fast & Furious, and are continuing to expose the "scope" of this operation.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/07/thank-you-houston-chronicle-at-last.html

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/07/this-just-in-eric-holder-is-in-florida.html


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Re: Gun runner and it goes to the top
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2011, 07:30:13 AM »
It's reported that "80% of all crime in the US is directly related to meth". 
Its reported Badger is a child molester. That don't make it true. This " Drug X is reported to cause the majority of crimes" crap is something that a hamster should roll its eyes at. Haven't we already proven this, "Its rum, no, its weed, no, its heroin, no, its uppers, or downers, or crack, or oxy, or meth, or diet Pepsi, I forget, but there's crime out there and I want to blame something and pass some new laws so I get re-elected cause I looked busy".  ::) Look folks is boils down to this, when did folks in the projects, or the trailer park, or the barrio ever need an excuse to behave badly? ;)
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Re: Gun runner and it goes to the top
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2011, 11:45:16 AM »
It's reported that "80% of all crime in the US is directly related to meth". 

With the bottomless pockets our government believes they've got.  I find it hard to believe they want drug activity anywhere on this continent to stop, and haven't stopped it.  We've simply got to much technology, man power, and firepower to honestly say drug cartels are outwitting us.

I'm inclined to think they allow this all to continue simply for the "fear factor" it gives the american public.  It's much easier to pass laws lording over people when they're scared of something.  In fact, we welcome it.   ::)

Gonna go with FQ on this one.
Blame the item not the person ? Stupid. Meth is just a powder all it does is sit there. Just like saying "guns kill people.
Look around !  The cause of crime is that the direction of US society is generating increasing numbers of "entitled" scumbags who don't face any realistic consequences for their actions .
As for Badgers post, while the Govt. can, and does use "the war on drugs" as a cover for infringing our rights the bottom line, as proven by prohibition of booze, is that prohibition does not work, and is impossible to enforce.
If they can't keep out a 5 foot 6 Mexican how are they going to stop a back pack full of dope ?

 

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