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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2011, 07:27:39 PM »
So, guys like that...let's say Obama or some other liberal/socialist/marxist politician threatens to layoff officers or cut their pay unless they, wink-wink & nudge-nudge, play along....what's a guy like this going to do?  Stand for principles and the Constitution or sell out for buck?

Not that this would be the only profession to sell out...just that citizens expect them to be towards the top of upstanding and patriotic.

So what would this guy do?  Trample the Constitution or stand up? 

Trick question.


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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2011, 07:49:36 PM »
So, guys like that...let's say Obama or some other liberal/socialist/marxist politician threatens to layoff officers or cut their pay unless they, wink-wink & nudge-nudge, play along....what's a guy like this going to do?  Stand for principles and the Constitution or sell out for buck?

Not that this would be the only profession to sell out...just that citizens expect them to be towards the top of upstanding and patriotic.

So what would this guy do?  Trample the Constitution or stand up? 

Trick question.

97% of the people will sell out in one way or another and take the mark of the beast - sorry, wrong platform - do what they have to do to get by and maybe even go from the proles to the Outer Party. Or, dare I dream it? get into the Inner Party.   ;)
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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2011, 08:36:11 PM »
CPD posted on their Facebook account how totally embarrassed they were.  They went on to explain that Officer Azzhat had been relieved of duty and that an Internal Affairs investigation had been ordered.  They stated that there is no place for this kind of activity in their police department.  They said his return to duty would be dependant on IA's findings.

And then their Facebook page was taken down.

I'm told it has been re-activated, but don't know the status of the apology.

Saw on another thread that due to the "two-sizes-too-small" nature of Officer Azzhat's uniform shirt, steroid abuse is suspected.  "Roid" rage is a known reality--not an excuse, but a reality.

Sometimes a tin badge confers more authority than is justified.  Badge abuse is an unfortunately common occurance.

And I was taught to respect the cops, from a very young age.  It's only been in my more mature years that my opinion of many of them has totally tanked.
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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2011, 08:50:30 PM »
+1 on Crusaders Post.

http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/07/daniel-zimmerman/one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other/#more-56301

A few weeks back, we highlighted the courteous and professional conduct of officer Matt Lyons. Well, for each yin there’s a yang. For every good there’s a bad. For every Jedi there’s…some guy wearing black on the dark side. Now, via snowflakesinhell.com, comes this surefire first ballot hall-of-famer from Canton, Ohio. Granted, the Lyons and Canton situations occurred under drastically different circumstances. This sorry display happened at night in an evidently questionable part of town. Still, it’s hard to decide what’s most disturbing about the dashcam video . . .

Is it the generally abusive demeanor? The illegal search of the car? The lack of Miranda rights given to the driver? Maybe it’s the promise of future harassment. Oooh. Oooh. I know. It’s probably the regret the officer expresses that he didn’t “execute” the driver by emptying his Glock into him
. Canton PD  Chief Dean McKimm has relieved the offending cop of his duties pending action by internal affairs. Meanwhile, the driver is no doubt looking for a good civil rights attorney. Here’s wishing him good luck.


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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2011, 09:14:07 PM »
He has one of the best attorneys in this field on it, as well as backing by the OFCC. This Richard Cranium is going down BIGTIME!

OFCC= Ohioans for Concealed Carry. That's who released the video!
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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2011, 09:29:36 PM »
If this were a "normal" discrimination lawsuit, how many millions would this guy get from the city???? 

I think CCW is the only minority less protected than middle aged white males. 
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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2011, 04:09:55 AM »
Whats the police motto over there "to serve and protect" ?

Well that dude wasnt serving and the fella needed protecting, from the police.

Guy like that deserves to cop (pardon pun) a 2x4 upside the head one day as he walks out of his house!
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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2011, 07:03:47 AM »
The lack of respect shown by that officer is my biggest problem.

His lack of skill at common LEO procedures is bad, but that is for his superiors to handle.....the way he treats a citizen is where the danger is.  He can learn to stick to procedures, but I don't think he can truly "unlearn" his disdain for those he is sworn to protect.

I also noted that I did not see his partner make any attempt to intervene even as mildly as a "Take it easy" or a "Be cool" comment.

On the other hand, the citizen always responded calmly and with respect the whole time.  Of course that politeness might have been inspired by the threats of a beating and being shot to death with a service weapon.

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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2011, 07:18:08 AM »
Just to be fair to all the Good LEO's serving and retired
heres a good video

http://www.wimp.com/goodcop/

Notable difference!
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Re: Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2011, 11:39:31 AM »
The driver very clearly began to state " I have a carry..." at the first instant he was addressed by the officer., before being verbally bulldozed by the officer. Like someone else said, the dashcam footage is making his attorney giggle with glee..

My best friend is a LEO in S. Georgia in a very tough town. I have spent countless hours on ride alongs in the passenger seat seeing all aspects of his work, the good and the bad, bad meaning all the crap the officers have to put up with. Yes, they choose their line of work, if they cant deal with the stress, get out. My friend always deals with people fairly and lawfully, and it goes a long way with how he is treated by the public. He has a rep for being fair. Unfourtanetly, the officer in the video will (for some) become a poster child for people everywhere who only see the bad officers, and the good ones that do their job under unenviable pressures don't make for good viral videos.

I am in no way giving this officer a pass. The unlawful search, the threats by the officer (you would go to jail for that alone in my city), and the plain verbal assualt laid on by the officer made the civilian almost too scared to talk, you can hear it in his voice. He lost his job? Great. One down. The surely coming civil suit should be proceeded by the arrest of this so-called officer for the threats of bodily harm. If the civilian would have said that to the officer, it would have been an instant arrest. The badge does't make the law unapplicable. You have a HIGHER STANDARD you must conform to when being a LEO.  The partner (who initiated the unlawful search) is just as culpable in the incident.  I am not totally giving the civilian a pass either, he did have ample chance to tell the officer who was searching the car that he was CCW, but then he was only addressed by the other one. So, Im kind of iffy on that one..

 

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