Very bad police encounter in Canton Ohio

[Solus]

There would have been no jury had he shot Officer Asshat, since the second officer would have surely shot the citizen, and justifiably so to protect his own life.  The only way to win in that situation is by behaving calmly, exactly as the citizen did.  He put up with abuse, but he'll have the last laugh in this situation, when he watches RoboCop look for a job, and collects the big check (after his lawyer's cut) that he'll get from the City of Canton.

Tell ya what....   Staying calm and getting through it was the wise course here, but if it was me and I still had possession of my weapon with uncuffed hands and the officer threatened twice to kill me....and then he reached for his gun, I'd have had to see who's training was better...and if the second cop didn't give me a chance to "surrender" someone else would be getting shot.

I might be shot dead by either or put away or put under in court if I lived, but I'd not sit and be executed when I could fight.

But, yeah, I'd work towards what  happened in this incident.
 

[PegLeg45]

This city council ass-hat defends the Canton cop.  

Canton City Council Responds to Policeman Threatening Violence and Death, and It Ain't Pretty

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"This is a symptom of the arming, the literal arming of our population with handguns, and the flooding of handguns into our communities.  These laws that allow our citizens to carry guns... in the worst neighborhoods, where there is high crime... that's not acceptable in our society.

"As long as these laws permit people to carry weapons in the worst of circumstances, in the worst situations, there are deaths waiting to happen.  Either police officers, or citizens, who think that by arming themselves, they're somehow safe."
                                                                                                          ~ Canton City Council president Allen Schulman

http://www.guns.com/canton-city-council-responds-to-policeman-threatening-violence-and-it-aint-pretty.html

Another article on the matter here:

http://www.indeonline.com/news/x410262827/Schulman-defends-Cantons-reputation-after-police-video-backlash

City Council President Allen Schulman lashed out at those from outside the Canton area who have blasted the city over a police video involving a traffic stop and a citizen with a concealed weapon permit.

At Monday’s meeting, Schulman also was strongly critical of Ohio’s concealed handgun law.

[Ping]

Just saw where the politician defended the officer. I was showing my two sons the video and started reading the article about the shitty councilman who appears to be anti 2A.

Then I noticed the Canton PD Officer's last name. Same as yours truly.  Could not believe that crap... 

The officer needs some serious counseling and a unpaid vacation. He was way out of line.

The second officer was also in the car. The driver should have told him while he was searching the car. Both are in the wrong. The driver should get a warning but not lose his CCW. The threats from the Officer Harless need to be addressed.

[Pathfinder]

Just saw where the politician defended the officer. I was showing my two sons the video and started reading the article about the shitty councilman who appears to be anti 2A.

Then I noticed the Canton PD Officer's last name. Same as yours truly.  Could not believe that crap... 

The officer needs some serious counseling and a unpaid vacation. He was way out of line.

The second officer was also in the car. The driver should have told him while he was searching the car. Both are in the wrong. The driver should get a warning but not lose his CCW. The threats from the Officer Harless need to be addressed.

Fruit of the poisoned tree. The driver did nothing wrong, even when the 2nd cop was in the car, the first had told him to shut up, and he complied. This cop was so wrong from the very get go that EVERYTHING that comes out of this incident is tainted - poisoned - and cannot be used.

Cop #1 threatened to execute a prisoner handcuffed in the back of the squad car. He should be in jail. He won't end up there though, and if he loses his job, he will get another at some crappier PD somewhere - they are always looking for goons in some towns.

[Big Frank]

I saw on another forum where some cops beat a guy so bad his own father didn't recognize him. After being in a coma for a few days he died. There's way too much of this abuse going on. My own experience with cops isn't good either but they never got physical with me.

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[Solus]

I've noted that the "perspective" of some, maybe many, police officers is "wrong".

They  have strayed from their true "mission" of protecting citizens and have adopted several other views.

Among them are:  enforcing laws, maintaining police control, supporting other officers.

Each of these should not be the "goal" of LEOs, but the techniques used to achieve the goal of protecting the citizens.

Part of that is enforcing laws, but, for example, enforcing J-walking laws at 2:00am on empty streets does nothing to protect anyone.  But it does further a goal of maintaining police control.

The treatment of the citizen involved in this incident is a supreme example of LEOs going all out to achieve the goals of enforcing laws and maintaining police control and completely sacrificing protecting the citizens to do so.

The emphasis needs to get back on making protecting the citizens primary function of police and thinking of these other "goals" as only a means to that proper function of LEOs.


I've mentioned this before, but the above refocusing is a major part of Sheriff Mack's No Sheriff Left Behind program.  It is directed not just at Sheriffs but at all LEOs.

[tombogan03884]

After reading Solus's post it struck me again that Rush is right. Words have specific meanings and connotations, and using one word when you really mean something else can change the perceived meaning of your statement.
I've brought this up before and the example I always use is" ignorant versus stupid", because it's easily understood.
An "ignorant" person has not been made aware of particular information, while a "stupid" person can not absorb or apply information they have been exposed to.

In this case , "LEO's" are scumbags like the one portrayed in the video. Gestapo wannabe's who say, "I have a badge and a gun, I am the law".
They are the ones who will be happy to join Obama and Soros in suppressing American patriots.
They are also the ones who give Americans a bad attitude toward the others who are, "Police Officers", "Peace Officers", "Cops", and "Public Safety workers".

[tombogan03884]

I posted that comment because when I saw Solus' use of the term "LEO" I read it as "law enforcement officer", that triggered the thought " LAW ENFORCEMENT" officer. That put me in mind of the difference between those who would serve and protect the public as opposed to those who would enforce laws and policies, public be damned.
I did not think he used "LEO" in a derogatory manner, but I do think it is a derogatory, though accurate, term for some who wear a badge.

[Solus]

You are correct, Tom.

Considering yourself a LAW ENFORCEMENT Officer immediately distorts what a good Peace Officer should be about.

That was the point of my post and I didn't see that relationship until you made the observation.

[jyates]

Sounds like Albany (but there are a couple I could think of)..........     

Farther south, without giving it away ;-) Albany is definitely rough though.