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Re: Budget cuts..............
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2011, 04:39:15 PM »
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How come there aren't any cuts in the Space Program, or did I miss it?


What space program?

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Re: Budget cuts..............
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 04:43:05 PM »
Being a government employee and not paying your taxes is like being a debt collector who doesn't pay his debts.
Why hasn't the IRS attached the wages of these employees? After all, it isn't like they can't find their employer.
I am also very surprised that Amtrak was getting that much - I wonder if they will end up eliminating a lot of routes and closing train and bus stations.

This is Bidens pet project. He brags about riding Amtrak to work, no way they will defund it.

How come there aren't any cuts in the Space Program, or did I miss it?

Because Obama has already gutted the space program. Remember that their mission now is to tout the technological contributions of the muslims. 

Why don't they consider means testing in order for members of Congress to receive pension benefits?

You mean like putting them on trial for betraying the public trust?  ;D
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Re: Budget cuts..............
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2011, 08:00:36 AM »
 Any of those cuts would affect someones district and the last thing any career politician wants to do is lose an election. 
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Re: Budget cuts..............
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2011, 09:20:58 PM »

Thanks for the answers.
If they have to put that much money into Amtrak just so Biden can ride to work, they need to admit it is a failed program. In the last few years, they have put some fancy train stations into towns near where I live. No one here commutes on the train. Totally unnecessary.
Amtrak has been sucking money for years. I sort of remember it was supposed to be temporary until it could become profitable.
I wonder how much chaos it would cause if they just cut it in half. Cancel all routes/times that don't carry a full load.
Like in California, in order to save money, they started closing the DMV one extra day per week. I don't think anyone noticed.

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Re: Budget cuts..............
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2011, 10:16:28 PM »
Amtrak is nothing, they have gotten people to go along with the multi Bn dollar failure known as the war on drugs for 80 years.

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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2011, 10:28:34 PM »
Amtrak is nothing, they have gotten people to go along with the multi Bn dollar failure known as the war on drugs for 80 years.
And just like the war in Iraq it was supposed to pay for itself (with RICO). Well, guess what? ::) >:(
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2011, 10:39:55 PM »
And just like the war in Iraq it was supposed to pay for itself (with RICO). Well, guess what? ::) >:(
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You keep beating that dead horse but you never mention your boys wars in Afghanistan and Libya.
Why is that ?

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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2011, 10:56:38 PM »
You keep beating that dead horse but you never mention your boys wars in Afghanistan and Libya.
Why is that ?
Because they (W and BO) never promised that they would be cost neutral. However Cheney did make that promise about Iraq. As far as Libya? I'm more pissed about that than Iraq. Gaddafi was on our side. Why did we care what he did to his own? And if we were going to get our panties in a twist over repressive regimes, why not Syria, they are actually a huge threat and have been for decades. I could get behind air strikes on Damascus. But Tripoli? WTF?  Anyway, here are the facts calling BS on Wolfowitz's and the White House's  assertions that Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction.
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PRE-WAR OIL REVENUE ESTIMATES
  
CLAIM: �The oil revenues of Iraq could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years�We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.� � Paul Wolfowitz, [Congressional Testimony, 3/27/03]

CLAIM: �Iraq, unlike Afghanistan, is a rather wealthy country. Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction.� � White House Spokesman Ari Fleischer, 2/18/03
 FACT: International Oil Daily reported on 9/23/03 that Paul Bremer said that current and future oil revenues will be insufficient for rebuilding Iraq � despite the Administration's pre-war promises.

FACT: The WSJ reported on 9/5/03 that the Administration's oil estimates were �predicated on aggressively optimistic assumptions.�

FACT: While Bremer told Oil Daily that �Iraqi oil infrastructure was much worse than we thought,� a March 2000 report by the U.N. clearly said Iraq oil would be insufficient. The report said the Iraqi oil industry was �lamentable� and that the decline was �accelerating.� Roger Dowan of PFC Energy told NPR on 9/11/03 that the U.N. study the �made very clear that actually the facilities and the capacity to produce oil in Iraq� were far less than the Administration was portraying.

FACT: The NY Times reported on 10/5/03 �The Bush administration's optimistic statements earlier this year that Iraq's oil wealth, not American taxpayers, would cover most of the cost of rebuilding Iraq were at odds with a bleaker assessment of a government task force secretly established last fall to study Iraq's oil industry.�
 

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Re: Budget cuts..............
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2011, 11:30:33 PM »
Because they (W and BO) never promised that they would be cost neutral. However Cheney did make that promise about Iraq. As far as Libya? I'm more pissed about that than Iraq. Gaddafi was on our side. Why did we care what he did to his own? And if we were going to get our panties in a twist over repressive regimes, why not Syria, they are actually a huge threat and have been for decades. I could get behind air strikes on Damascus. But Tripoli? WTF?  Anyway, here are the facts calling BS on Wolfowitz's and the White House's  assertions that Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction.
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PRE-WAR OIL REVENUE ESTIMATES
 
CLAIM: �The oil revenues of Iraq could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years�We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.� � Paul Wolfowitz, [Congressional Testimony, 3/27/03]

CLAIM: �Iraq, unlike Afghanistan, is a rather wealthy country. Iraq has tremendous resources that belong to the Iraqi people. And so there are a variety of means that Iraq has to be able to shoulder much of the burden for their own reconstruction.� � White House Spokesman Ari Fleischer, 2/18/03
 FACT: International Oil Daily reported on 9/23/03 that Paul Bremer said that current and future oil revenues will be insufficient for rebuilding Iraq � despite the Administration's pre-war promises.

FACT: The WSJ reported on 9/5/03 that the Administration's oil estimates were �predicated on aggressively optimistic assumptions.�

FACT: While Bremer told Oil Daily that �Iraqi oil infrastructure was much worse than we thought,� a March 2000 report by the U.N. clearly said Iraq oil would be insufficient. The report said the Iraqi oil industry was �lamentable� and that the decline was �accelerating.� Roger Dowan of PFC Energy told NPR on 9/11/03 that the U.N. study the �made very clear that actually the facilities and the capacity to produce oil in Iraq� were far less than the Administration was portraying.

FACT: The NY Times reported on 10/5/03 �The Bush administration's optimistic statements earlier this year that Iraq's oil wealth, not American taxpayers, would cover most of the cost of rebuilding Iraq were at odds with a bleaker assessment of a government task force secretly established last fall to study Iraq's oil industry.�
 


Cheney isn't mentioned or quoted once, what is your point ???

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2011, 12:34:34 AM »
Cheney was the one who drew the short straw and was sent out to sell the idea originally. The posts cited quoted lesser officials. The point was that the only reason I mentioned Iraq was because of this claim, regardless of who was making it. If you think I've forgiven BO over Libya, you are wrong.
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