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To some this may see boring, and I understand,....however, this gets to the base of the elitist academe world that knows better than we do...Especially with regards to those evil firearms, made available to the masses.....

So I defer to the expert, our own fightingquaker. When it comes to interpreting those in society who are above us lowly common folk, and know what's best for us...

Big words matter
,.... :P

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/profiling-and-predicting-a-leftist-agenda-academic-papers-on-gun-control?CID=examiner_alerts_article

Profiling and predicting a leftist agenda in academic papers on ‘gun control’


August 2, 2011 -

Social Science Research Network has published a new scholarly work, “Profiling and Predicting Opinions on Gun Control: A Comparative Perspective on the Factors Underlying Opinion on Different Gun Control Measures.”  The researchers who wrote it are  Amy Semet of Columbia University. Nathaniel Persily from Columbia Law School, and Stephen Ansolabehere, Harvard University - Department of Government. They surveyed “over 1,000 participants.”

From their abstract:

    [E]galitarian or libertarian factors do not appear to be as important a motivator of public attitudes as they do not achieve statistical significance in multivariate regression analysis once we control for other factors. Indeed, we find that demographic cleavages, most importantly along the lines of gender, or the individual’s underlying viewpoint on constitutional issues, such as on Roe v. Wade or free speech, matters as much or more so than their cultural worldview in informing opinion on gun control. Further, to the extent a cultural worldwide informs opinion on gun control, our survey indicates that it is a libertarian worldview — as opposed to an egalitarian view — that predicts opinion.

WTF did this say?

Whatever.  Smart people sure use big words. Shall we look at the paper itself?

From the “Introduction”:

    In crafting the Second Amendment, our nation’s forefathers gave us the right to bear arms.


Hold the phone right there. No they did not either. The Founders understood rights to be natural and unalienable. There is no section in the Constitution where the power to grant rights is delegated to any branch of government. And it’s settled law, as early as Cruikshank in 1876, and upheld in the recent Heller opinion:

    This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.


Then there’s this bit of ivory tower folderol that fits the doctrinaire worldview of elite academics from Columbia and Harvard, but has a tough time finding traction with anyone who’s not a useful idiot:

    On its face, the right appears unconditional, but like with so many of our constitutional guarantees, our Constitution is a living and breathing document whose protections are interpreted with respect to changing times and current realities.

Ah, yes, Al Gore’s “living Constitution.” Typical regressive claptrap.  Sure there’s an amendment process, defined, disciplined and tough to enact—as the Framers intended.  Apparently, for these eggheads, it really does depend on what the meaning of the word “is” is, as long as they get to change the definition to suit their agenda.

There’s more, but why bother?  The three knuckleheads have tripped into a stoogepile right out of the starting gate, and have no credibility for either subject matter expertise or judgment from this point on.

Besides, they have plenty of other false premises, including the wrong idea on egalitarianism, insofar as it’s the hard core gun rights activists who are the strongest proponents of the right to keep and bear arms belonging to all.  And loopy assertions like “Indeed, it is no stretch to say that even the most hardened gun advocate favors some governmental restriction on the most dangerous semi-automatic and assault weapons” just show how ignorant of “hardened gun advocates” these cloistered children are.

As far as demographics and regions and education and sexuality and feelings on abortion or environmental issues or all the other noise these people like to measure things by and draw conclusions from, the most important baseline is nowhere established or even broached: What do the respondents actually know about the issue they’re being questioned on?  Do they know what levels of “gun control” already exist? When you ask them if they favor banning “assault weapons,” could they even tell you what one is? Could the study authors?


Aren’t they guns that have a shoulder thing that goes up?

What this paper contributes to the debate is irrelevant anyway, because for some of us, the issue is non-negotiable.  It doesn’t matter how many ignoramuses the authors stack up meaningless tick marks on a survey form for, because we recognize the intent of all this is to give the illusion of academic gravitas to a morally and intellectually impoverished gun ban camp.  And guess what? We don’t need no stinking “multivariate statistical analysis.” We’re not impressed and don’t care.

And guess what else? We will not disarm.


Matter of fact, some of us won’t rest until we bring Constitutional carry to the campuses of Columbia and Harvard…I mean, you never know when Amy, Nathaniel or Stephen might find themselves alone some night walking back to their cars when suddenly…

UPDATE: Comment poster "mikee" left this observation at my War on Guns blog announcement for this post. The truth of it merits sharing here:

    The errors in law and history you cite from the article are noteworthy in that they passed through the multiple layers of editing and peer review that this paper underwent.

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I leave it to the "expert(s)" to interpret.....

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Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Col. Jeff Cooper.

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Re: I Need Help To Interpret An Academic Peer Review Of Firearms,....FQ?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 08:40:13 PM »
Happy to oblige TW, as the house academic liberal and expert on all such things. First and foremost, When someone uses the words "multivariate regression analysis" call bullshit on them immediately. This is the crap that drove me from my discipline. Lazy academics want to say the answer is 47. They ask folks questions, assign numerical values to the responses and plug them into statistical models. They then pretend the cardinal numbers are ordinal numbers and the result is, wait for it, SCIENCE. ::) What it is is bull shit, but that's where the discipline is going over my, and a number of other dead bodies. Study math kids, because that's more important than the Federalist papers. ::) My parting shot was this. A colleague on the other side  said the discipline had to decide if it was to be made up of scientists or story tellers. I said the division was between philosophers and accountants. I'm unemployed and he's not, so you know who  won, but I still think I'm right. :-\  8)

All right, rant over, let's move on to your post. I couldn't pull up their paper from your link so I'll rely on what you posted. The first, and really only question, is what is the difference between libertarian and egalitarian? This is what drives me insane about quantoid political scientists. They spend thirty pages on the math and the method, as though any sane person gives a f..k about that. I mean look, you're getting published in a national journal, I trust that you got the arithmetic right. ::) What they pay ZERO attention to are the big issues, eg, the political side of POLITICAL science. What is egalitarian? What is libertarian? How do these values line up with those that gave us the 2A? Why should we care? Do these idiots deal with those issues? No, because its not statistically provable, and if the answer isn't 47 it obviously doesn't matter. They canont and will not deal with ethical, or in this case even definitional issues. Who is a libertarian according to them? Who is an ega;itarian? Can you identify thsese people and put them in context? No, because that screws up your "multivariate statistical analysis".

 These people suck. Its not like  they can't recognize a lie. They just use math to banish the concept of truth and lie from the field. All they have are "facts", data without context, and no way to  deal with it,  and attempting to interpret it qualatatively is viewed as heresy and is a career killer.   >:(
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Re: I Need Help To Interpret An Academic Peer Review Of Firearms,....FQ?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 09:37:30 PM »
Basically the reason the many factual errors in the paper slipped past peer review is because the reviewers were just as ignorant on the subject as the authors of the paper.
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Re: I Need Help To Interpret An Academic Peer Review Of Firearms,....FQ?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 10:54:37 PM »
Basically the reason the many factual errors in the paper slipped past peer review is because the reviewers were just as ignorant on the subject as the authors of the paper.
You can't get good fruit off a bad tree.
Indeed. We used to study politics. Now we just do math. Its what happens when a discipline becomes method driven rather than question driven.We have gone from being what Aristotle  (FREAKING ARISTOTLE) described as the "queen of disciplines as poli-sci covered all disciplines, philosophy, history economics and science. Now, we are a useless discipline that is all about the math.Economics became useless, Poli-sci is becoming useless and history is the only bastion of sanity left, and those people are weird. ;)
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Re: I Need Help To Interpret An Academic Peer Review Of Firearms,....FQ?
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 12:36:54 AM »
It's pretty much all a load of crap. Everything you need to know about politics is already written in a History .
Debt ? Rome allowed it's currency to be debased by using a lesser purity of Gold.
Immigration ? Rome failed to seal her Eastern borders and the influx of Huns, Visigoths etc. triggered the fall of the Empire.
It was debt that cost England their empire, and it was their liberal immigration policy that allowed them to go from a Christian, Western nation to a country struggling to avoid Sharia law.
France has always been a lesson in how not to do anything, it's a wonder they're still a country.

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Re: I Need Help To Interpret An Academic Peer Review Of Firearms,....FQ?
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 12:48:48 AM »
It's pretty much all a load of crap. Everything you need to know about politics is already written in a History .
Debt ? Rome allowed it's currency to be debased by using a lesser purity of Gold.
Immigration ? Rome failed to seal her Eastern borders and the influx of Huns, Visigoths etc. triggered the fall of the Empire.
It was debt that cost England their empire, and it was their liberal immigration policy that allowed them to go from a Christian, Western nation to a country struggling to avoid Sharia law.
France has always been a lesson in how not to do anything, it's a wonder they're still a country.
And a good political scientist from back in the day would have warned the Brits. Now, She'd probably just spout off some equation. Me on the other hand....... ;D
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Re: I Need Help To Interpret An Academic Peer Review Of Firearms,....FQ?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2011, 02:35:36 AM »
Immigration ? Rome failed to seal her Eastern borders and the influx of Huns, Visigoths etc. triggered the fall of the Empire.

Having sex with your sister to have a heir to the throne probably didn't help.  ;)
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Re: I Need Help To Interpret An Academic Peer Review Of Firearms,....FQ?
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2011, 04:56:50 AM »
The "best and brightest" of this sort go on to run education and advise our leaders.
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Re: I Need Help To Interpret An Academic Peer Review Of Firearms,....FQ?
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 06:16:59 AM »
My interpretation is that truth escapes the writer.  What he's said without realizing it is that some people have principles based on a belief in right and wrong and that conflicts with the environoment in which they were raised (their culture).

Sort of like old Juan Williams on FoxNews the other day decrying the Tea Party Candidates who, while metaphorically wagging his finger at them, warned the Tea Party candidates they would not get elected if they did not tow the line.  How dare they have principles that prevent "the deal" that advances their career...why that is unthinkable....

By the way, I'm not pathetcally clinging like I'm scared someone is going to take God away from me, I'm standing on the Rock.  Furthermore, why would I cling to my gun like a child cowering afraid someone may take it from me when I can hold it and die like a man? 

When you have the chance, at a party, visiting friends, outside a movie...whatever, use the opportunity to stand boldly without compromise in opposition to people who have no principle for they will compromise.  It will impress the sheep around them...expect the person to "bow up" a bit...but people who compromise will fall in line in the face of strength.  Sheep will see this and gravitate towards strength.  Sheep follow "truth", which is what "dear leader" says it is...become dear leader in their eyes.  Remember...not all are sheep; if you come across a Bill Ayers who stands on his principle you may be in for fisticuffs...up for it? 

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Re: I Need Help To Interpret An Academic Peer Review Of Firearms,....FQ?
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2011, 08:07:14 AM »
My interpretation is that truth escapes the writer.  What he's said without realizing it is that some people have principles based on a belief in right and wrong and that conflicts with the environoment in which they were raised (their culture).

Sort of like old Juan Williams on FoxNews the other day decrying the Tea Party Candidates who, while metaphorically wagging his finger at them, warned the Tea Party candidates they would not get elected if they did not tow the line.  How dare they have principles that prevent "the deal" that advances their career...why that is unthinkable....

By the way, I'm not pathetcally clinging like I'm scared someone is going to take God away from me, I'm standing on the Rock.  Furthermore, why would I cling to my gun like a child cowering afraid someone may take it from me when I can hold it and die like a man? 

When you have the chance, at a party, visiting friends, outside a movie...whatever, use the opportunity to stand boldly without compromise in opposition to people who have no principle for they will compromise.  It will impress the sheep around them...expect the person to "bow up" a bit...but people who compromise will fall in line in the face of strength.  Sheep will see this and gravitate towards strength.  Sheep follow "truth", which is what "dear leader" says it is...become dear leader in their eyes. Remember...not all are sheep; if you come across a Bill Ayers who stands on his principle you may be in for fisticuffs...up for it? 

I have found that a quick knee in the groin makes my point nicely and it can be done discreetly.   ;D

 

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