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Yahoo News: Gov. Perry Would Like To Alter Constitution
« on: August 20, 2011, 12:47:30 PM »
Below is the text of the article and here is the link - http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/seven-ways-rick-perry-wants-change-constitution-131634517.html.

My comments are in red.

"Rick Perry has many ideas about how to change the American government's founding document. From ending lifetime tenure for federal judges to completely scrapping two whole amendments, the Constitution would see a major overhaul if the Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate had his druthers.

Perry laid out these proposed innovations to the founding document in his book, Fed Up! Our Fight to Save America from Washington. He has occasionally mentioned them on the campaign trail. Several of his ideas fall within the realm of mainstream conservative thinking today, but, as you will see, there are also a few surprises.

1. Abolish lifetime tenure for federal judges by amending Article III, Section I of the Constitution.

The nation's framers established a federal court system whereby judges with "good behavior" would be secure in their job for life. Perry believes that provision is ready for an overhaul.

"The Judges," reads Article III, "both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."

Perry makes it no secret that he believes the judges on the bench over the past century have acted beyond their constitutional bounds. The problem, Perry reasons, is that members of the judiciary are "unaccountable" to the people, and their lifetime tenure gives them free license to act however they want. In his book, the governor speaks highly of plans to limit their tenure and offers proposals about how to accomplish it.

"'[W]e should take steps to restrict the unlimited power of the courts to rule over us with no accountability," he writes in Fed Up! "There are a number of ideas about how to do this . . . . One such reform would be to institute term limits on what are now lifetime appointments for federal judges, particularly those on the Supreme Court or the circuit courts, which have so much power. One proposal, for example, would have judges roll off every two years based on seniority."

As much as I disagree with Justices Ginsburg, Sotomayor, etc. I do not favor this move. This would make a political process of appointing jurists to the bench even more political. It comes down to judgement and how we elect the senators and presidents to office. At times it can work for us and at other times against us. I would not like to see Justice Scalia or Justice Thomas removed from the bench because their term expired as an example.

2. Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote.

Ending lifetime tenure for federal justices isn't the only way Perry has proposed suppressing the power of the courts. His book excoriates at length what he sees as overreach from the judicial branch. (The title of Chapter Six is "Nine Unelected Judges Tell Us How to Live.")

Giving Congress the ability to veto their decisions would be another way to take the Court down a notch, Perry says.

"[A]llow Congress to override the Supreme Court with a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate, which risks increased politicization of judicial decisions, but also has the benefit of letting the people stop the Court from unilaterally deciding policy," he writes.

Again I disagree here. It's about checks and balances. Just because we don't get our way doesn't mean we get to change the rules in the middle of the game. I return to my point about who we put into office- elections have consequences.

3. Scrap the federal income tax by repealing the Sixteenth Amendment.

The Sixteenth Amendment gives Congress the "power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." It should be abolished immediately, Perry says.

Calling the Sixteenth Amendment "the great milestone on the road to serfdom," Perry's writes that it provides a virtually blank check to the federal government to use for projects with little or no consultation from the states.

Now I completely agree here! A careful reading of the constitution reveals the founders never intended for such a tax to be foisted on the public. I favor a national sales tax to replace, after repeal, the income tax. Or do what we did in the 19th century- sell bonds to finance the government and apply excise taxes on certain transactions.

4. End the direct election of senators by repealing the Seventeenth Amendment.

Overturning this amendment would restore the original language of the Constitution, which gave state legislators the power to appoint the members of the Senate.

Ratified during the Progressive Era in 1913 , the same year as the Sixteenth Amendment, the Seventeenth Amendment gives citizens the ability to elect senators on their own. Perry writes that supporters of the amendment at the time were "mistakenly" propelled by "a fit of populist rage."

"The American people mistakenly empowered the federal government during a fit of populist rage in the early twentieth century by giving it an unlimited source of income (the Sixteenth Amendment) and by changing the way senators are elected (the Seventeenth Amendment)," he writes.

I agree here but we have to remember it cuts both ways. If the general public wants candidate A and the legislature wants candidate B, the general public could get screwed. But I am willing to take that chance.

5. Require the federal government to balance its budget every year.

Of all his proposed ideas, Perry calls this one "the most important," and of all the plans, a balanced budget amendment likely has the best chance of passage.

"The most important thing we could do is amend the Constitution--now--to restrict federal spending," Perry writes in his book. "There are generally thought to be two options: the traditional 'balanced budget amendment' or a straightforward 'spending limit amendment,' either of which would be a significant improvement. I prefer the latter . . . . Let's use the people's document--the Constitution--to put an actual spending limit in place to control the beast in Washington."

A campaign to pass a balanced budget amendment through Congress fell short by just one vote in the Senate in the 1990s.

Last year, House Republicans proposed a spending-limit amendment that would limit federal spending to 20 percent of the economy. According to the amendment's language, the restriction could be overridden by a two-thirds vote in both Houses of Congress or by a declaration of war.

I agree here too but with some tweaks to the minimum votes to set aside- 75% instead of 66.6667%

6. The federal Constitution should define marriage as between one man and one woman in all 50 states.

Despite saying last month that he was "fine with" states like New York allowing gay marriage, Perry has now said he supports a constitutional amendment that would permanently ban gay marriage throughout the country and overturn any state laws that define marriage beyond a relationship between one man and one woman.

"I do respect a state's right to have a different opinion and take a different tack if you will, California did that," Perry told the Christian Broadcasting Network in August. "I respect that right, but our founding fathers also said, 'Listen, if you all in the future think things are so important that you need to change the Constitution here's the way you do it'.

In an interview with The Ticket earlier this month, Perry spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said that even though it would overturn laws in several states, the amendment still fits into Perry's broader philosophy because amendments require the ratification of three-fourths of the states to be added to the Constitution.

I do not favor gay marriage and I do not favor the federal government telling the states how they should recognize a contractual union of two parties, which is what marriage is to the state.

7. Abortion should be made illegal throughout the country.

Like the gay marriage issue, Perry at one time believed that abortion policy should be left to the states, as was the case before the 1973 Supreme Court case Roe v. Wade. But in the same Christian Broadcasting Network interview, Perry said that he would support a federal amendment outlawing abortion because it was "so important...to the soul of this country and to the traditional values [of] our founding fathers." "

As much as I abhor abortion, I have to say this is really a state's rights issue. The federal government should leave this to the states to decide for themselves. I know it seems contradictory but I believe that if we are to live in a free society there has to be acceptance that certain things might not go your way. As long as the political process is open to all points of view, there is always the chance to persuade and change the body politic.

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Re: Yahoo News: Gov. Perry Would Like To Alter Constitution
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2011, 01:21:24 PM »
And there is my vote lost. I don't need some jackass thinking he needs to edit the Founders seeking office. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. There is no problem we have that is so bad that it  can't be made far worse by messing with the Constitution that has stood us in good stead for this long. Seriously, gay marriage? Is what happens between maybe one half of ten percent of the population so offensive to you that you want to erode almost three centuries worth of state's rights? You want federal judges beholden to the folks they are supposed to say "No" too? Last I checked we were a republic, not a democracy. WTF? I thought Perry might be worth a look. Well, he just got one. See ya. Please give me a good GOP candidate.  :-\
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Re: Yahoo News: Gov. Perry Would Like To Alter Constitution
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2011, 01:31:08 PM »
And there is my vote lost. I don't need some jackass thinking he needs to edit the Founders seeking office. If it ain't broke don't fix it. There is no problem we have that is so bad that it  can't be made far worse by messing with the Constitution that has stood us in good stead for this long. Seriously, gay marriage? Is what happens between maybe one half of ten percent of the population so offensive to you that you want to erode almost three centuries worth of states rights? You want federal judges beholden to the folks they are supposed to say "No" too? Last I checked we were a republic, not a democracy. WTF? I thought Perry might be worth a look. Well, he just got one. See ya. Please give me a good GOP candidate.  :-\
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Re: Yahoo News: Gov. Perry Would Like To Alter Constitution
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2011, 02:33:28 PM »

2. Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote.

Ending lifetime tenure for federal justices isn't the only way Perry has proposed suppressing the power of the courts. His book excoriates at length what he sees as overreach from the judicial branch. (The title of Chapter Six is "Nine Unelected Judges Tell Us How to Live.")

Giving Congress the ability to veto their decisions would be another way to take the Court down a notch, Perry says.

"[A]llow Congress to override the Supreme Court with a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate, which risks increased politicization of judicial decisions, but also has the benefit of letting the people stop the Court from unilaterally deciding policy," he writes.

Again I disagree here. It's about checks and balances. Just because we don't get our way doesn't mean we get to change the rules in the middle of the game. I return to my point about who we put into office- elections have consequences.


This idea has merit in fact. The SCOTUS has no check on its power, a position the Founders dreaded. Sure, Congress can change the over-ruled law, but then it is not the same law. Remember, we were 1 vote away from losing Heller and MacDonald. With cases like Dred Scott and if Heller had gone the other way, there is/would be no recourse unless the composition of the SCOTUS changed AND they decided they would revisit one of their decisions. Highly unlikely, to say the least.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2011, 02:36:16 PM »
And there is my vote lost. I don't need some jackass thinking he needs to edit the Founders seeking office. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. There is no problem we have that is so bad that it  can't be made far worse by messing with the Constitution that has stood us in good stead for this long. Seriously, gay marriage? Is what happens between maybe one half of ten percent of the population so offensive to you that you want to erode almost three centuries worth of state's rights? You want federal judges beholden to the folks they are supposed to say "No" too? Last I checked we were a republic, not a democracy. WTF? I thought Perry might be worth a look. Well, he just got one. See ya. Please give me a good GOP candidate.  :-\
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Soooo, like the 14th?

And with 6-8 states already pegging their electoral votes to the national popular vote, who says we're a republic?
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Re: Yahoo News: Gov. Perry Would Like To Alter Constitution
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2011, 05:08:05 PM »
FQ, it is not that the system is broke,....it is, however, been morphed by politicians/lobbyists, etc,.. into a broken version.

Review the history of Social Security,....it has morphed into a monster entitlement program that is BROKEN...

What about the 10th Amend?....so easily thrown away by a Fed. Gov't. that will deny a state DOT/Highway funds,.....if they get out of line.

Commerce clause,...etc,,... et al,...

Regardless, I really want this, and I really want that,...no different than the excerpts from Perry's book. 

Frankly Perry forgot to mention doing away with the Dept. Of Education. or the Federal Reserve.

I don;t agree with everything on his list....But run down a top 10 of BHO's agenda...Hammer & sickle come to mind,....



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Re: Yahoo News: Gov. Perry Would Like To Alter Constitution
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2011, 05:44:48 PM »
This idea has merit in fact. The SCOTUS has no check on its power, a position the Founders dreaded. Sure, Congress can change the over-ruled law, but then it is not the same law. Remember, we were 1 vote away from losing Heller and MacDonald. With cases like Dred Scott and if Heller had gone the other way, there is/would be no recourse unless the composition of the SCOTUS changed AND they decided they would revisit one of their decisions. Highly unlikely, to say the least.

Under this ridiculous proposal the Heller and McDonald decisions would have been overturned and our gun rights would be gone.
The SCOTUS has hardly excersized its power, they are co Equal to the Congress and President, but you would never know it from their actions.
I think it would be better to go the other way, All legislation must be reviewed by SCOTUS prior to going into effect.

FQ, Federal judges are already beholden to the President who nominates then and the Congress that confirms them.
A judge is nothing but a lawyer that kissed the ass of the right politician.

 

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