John Stossel, some things to think about

[Ichiban]

It isn't debating to answer a question with an unrelated question, Extortion involves the threat of violence, blackmail does not.
If I am extorting you the threat is based on my actions, if I'm blackmailing you the threat is based on your own previous activities.

Rationalization.

1 wrong + 1 wrong =/= 1 right.

Kind of like saying "But she is a very mature fourteen year old."

Or it's okay to charge someone who's car is on fire $1000.00 for that fire extinguisher you have in your trunk.

[Solus]

It isn't debating to answer a question with an unrelated question, Extortion involves the threat of violence, blackmail does not.
If I am extorting you the threat is based on my actions, if I'm blackmailing you the threat is based on your own previous activities.

Not necessarily true.  You might find yourself being blackmailed for your parent's or a loved one's or even a business partner's poor judgement.

Additional, the blackmailer is not bound by the usual requirements to uphold their end of the bargain. After making the stated payment, the blackmailer can easily pressure for additional or larger payments.  They can also betray and spill the beans anyway, after collecting the cash, by selling the information to gossip publications or elsewhere.

[Solus]

Rationalization.

1 wrong + 1 wrong =/= 1 right.

Kind of like saying "But she is a very mature fourteen year old."

Or it's okay to charge someone who's car is on fire $1000.00 for that fire extinguisher you have in your trunk.

Well, it is your fire extinguisher.  You can choose to do what you wish with it.  Or do you think there should be laws requiring the distribution of what someone has earned and paid for to those who have not?

[Ichiban]

My mistake.  I was coming at this discussion from a morality viewpoint, not a legality viewpoint.  Those two are very separate things and only occasionally cross paths.

[fightingquaker13]

Ichiban, Stossel is not the first to recommend the sale of organs. A few years ago I read an article by a doctor who had far more and better reasons than what  JS gave.

Tom
I think Ichiban is afraid of something like this.
FQ13

[Sponsor]

[tombogan03884]

One of the things my sister researched while she was writing her thesis was the Asian trade in stolen organs.
Joe tourist hooks up with a hooker some place like Thailand and wakes up in an alley with his body cavity packed with ice.
There was also the scandal about the Chinese parting out executed convicts for cash back in the 90's .
They were holding prisoners until they had a matching buyer then they'd pop him in the head and sell off his reusable bits.

[JC5123]

One of the things my sister researched while she was writing her thesis was the Asian trade in stolen organs.
Joe tourist hooks up with a hooker some place like Thailand and wakes up in an alley with his body cavity packed with ice.
There was also the scandal about the Chinese parting out executed convicts for cash back in the 90's .
They were holding prisoners until they had a matching buyer then they'd pop him in the head and sell off his reusable bits.

I still don't see a problem....

[Solus]

I still don't see a problem....

I see what you are saying...nice for a criminal to give something back....what I worry about is if the arresting police department got a cut in what the organs were going for.

The worry is that no matter what means is used to insure honest sales of organs, someone is gonna figure a way to abuse it...of course that isn't any different from about everything else.

[tombogan03884]

I see what you are saying...nice for a criminal to give something back....what I worry about is if the arresting police department got a cut in what the organs were going for.

The worry is that no matter what means is used to insure honest sales of organs, someone is gonna figure a way to abuse it...of course that isn't any different from about everything else.

No !
Chinese prisons are run by the Army and they don't share.
I don't see what the stink was about.
It was a reasonable way for the prisoners to get out of the Norinco factory.

[Solus]

No !
Chinese prisons are run by the Army and they don't share.
I don't see what the stink was about.
It was a reasonable way for the prisoners to get out of the Norinco factory.

What I meant was that if those running the prison are making a yen on the deal, they might make sure the prisons have an ample supply of donors regardless of guilt.