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FFL question
« on: August 25, 2011, 06:20:48 PM »
Hello guys. I have been thinking and that's not always good ;D. I have wanted to own my own gunstore for a long time now. With the economy I don't think starting a new business would be the best thing. I would be happy just getting my FFL's for now and keep my job and sell and do transfers to earn a little extra money. If it works and business is good then maybe I could expand but honestly I have a good job and if I can make enough to pay for the FFL's and buy a couple of extra guns I would be happy. I was told by a former FFL holder that you can't have FFL's without a business front. I know some of this depends on local and state laws as well. I have been looking into it to see if it is even possible. I looked on the ATF website and all I can find out for sure is to acquire the license you must intend in engaging in the firearm business which I do but on a small scale from home. When I google the topic I find a lot of sights selling a FFL kit saying they can help me get a FFL to sell from my home and blah blah blah. I am sceptical to say the least and I don't want to spend anymore money than I have to. Does anyone have any expertise in obtaining a FFL. I would appreciate any help. Thanks.

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Re: FFL question
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2011, 06:30:03 PM »
I'll comment because no one else has yet. (For the really solid info you will probably need to check back this weekend, bump the thread on Friday )
With in the last year or so one of the members got his ffl and posted about it.

http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=12287.0

You might also send him a pm, I'm sure he'd be happy to help you out.

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Re: FFL question
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2011, 06:52:50 PM »
Thanks Tom.

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Re: FFL question
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2011, 07:10:53 PM »
One question for you...


how good is your accounting/ paper work skills?

I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: FFL question
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2011, 07:17:00 PM »
I have no problem with either TAB. While not my favorite thing to do I don't want to screw up if I am able to get my FFL. This is something I have thought about a lot.

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Re: FFL question
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Re: FFL question
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2011, 07:47:42 PM »
Disclaimer:  I do not have an FFL.  Information here is what I have gleaned from those who do.

The big thing about paperwork is making sure it is complete, accurate, and up to date from what I understand. There are computer programs to help with that.   I have been told that BATF does not like abbreviations, especially on 4473's.  I think the biggest think is learning and knowing how to do it correctly from the start.

Don't have to have a store front, but must meet local zoning codes.  Many distributors want you to have a store front and may request pictures, etc for proof.  They may also ask about current inventory, number of guns turned over/ month etc or dollar amount of business.  One friend, whose "gun store" consisted of a leased 3'x4' space for his safe in the back room of his wife's shop and restaurant had no problem getting and keeping his FFL.  Another FFL friend, had had a BATF compliance check, all was in order, but they badgered him on his low priced transfer fees.  He charged $20 and they wanted him to charge more.  As far as I know the FFL holder may charge what ever he wants for doing transfers.

May want to approach the business as a service business for transferring, shipping guns, special order, etc. untill you can grow it larger.

Following is a thread from another forum from a guy who went through the process:


http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=59666
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Re: FFL question
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 10:42:12 PM »
DJ,

I just went through this a year ago, and can tell , in my case, it is without a doubt, a BAD idea  ;D. Since getting it, my safe has expanded to it's limits, much to the chagrin of my wife.

In all honesty, it has worked out great for me. I had intended to get it for more my use than anything, but BATFE strongly disagrees with this philosophy. They will not allow a 01 FFL for personal use, it must be used to conduct business. They don't require a store front, but do require you have hours and receive customers. This was a problem for me, originally, in that I didn't have a commercial occupancy permit, but a home occupancy waiver (basically a home based business). My local government allows this, but one of the conditions is that I can't have customers coming to my house. My investigator said this wasn't acceptable, so I appealed this condition, and was given a waiver of it.

In my testimony, and my true intentions, was to do 2-4 transfers a month, at most. I actually average 10 a month. I charge $20.00 a transfer, and am on the low side, compared to local store fronts. But, in fairness, there $$$ is made selling guns, not transferring someone else's sale. I have paid for my license 5X over in the first year, just on transfers. The occasional sale and the discounted guns for myself is just icing. BW is right on a few things, some distributors won't sell to you without a storefront, but enough will, it is not a problem. My investigator discouraged the computer program bound book, as my inventory was insufficient to warrant it. I found a PDF version of a bound book on the internet, and just print them off as needed and hand write the transfer, and put it into a binder when complete. My investigator's interview was more making sure I knew how to fill out paperwork than anything. You have to be, at least a little, anal retentive with your paperwork, that is the fastest way to get your butt in a wringer, other than out & out fraud.

IMHO, you don't need the FFL kits out there. I didn't use one, and with the exception of the customer thing, it went fine. My problem was local, not BATFE. It took me about 7 months to get it, but 3 of those was hearing/etc locally. If you get it in your name, you will need pictures and fingerprints,if you get it in a corp name, you won't. But keep in mind if it is a corp name, you will need to do a 4473 on transfers to you personally, and there might be some local zoning issues.

The one bit of advice I can give you is to check and double check your paperwork. Whether it is your application, or your bound book. If you have any questions, just ask, I'll try and answer them. Good luck!

Brian
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Re: FFL question
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2011, 12:05:15 AM »
Thanks Brian that is what I was hoping to hear. At least I know I can do it on the federal level. It sounds like I need to check my local zoning laws. Honestly the original idea was to build my collection but why not make some money while I'm at it. Besides the more I make the more I can buy  ;D. I'm sure I will have some questions. I hope I can make it work on the local level. I will be a happy man if I can pull tthis off. I should have looked into this years ago but my buddy that used to have his and sold out of his house convinced me it couldn't be done anymore. I can see a new safe in my future  :D.

 

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