Pistols with a shot at replacing the M9

[tombogan03884]

I know it will never happen but I think the answer to their search is the Para P-14 or similar double stack 1911.
If it was good enough for the last 100 years I don't see why it wouldn't be good enough for the next 100.
At least until they deploy Phasers. 

[MikeO]

The Pentagon as stated above just procured an additional 500,000 Beretta's for the military a year or two back.  For those already in theater, I doubt they've had more than a break in period let alone 25K rounds through them.

Not 'zactly. The govt has IDIQ (indefinite delivery/idefinite quantity) contracts w _options_ on up to 450,000 more M9s and up to 18 million more mags. Have only exercised about 10% of those options to date. May not run it out completely if they can sell the idea of a new gun for cheap enough.

Somebody is persistent. FHS, SOF-CP, JCP, CP, AFH, AFFH, MHS... they keep trying. Plenty of units who sold 'em on the idea they needed a compact handgun have bought Glock 19s instead of using the current M11 (SIG P228) for example. The USMC has bought M9A1s (M9 w a rail) and M45 (1911s). The Navy has bought Mk 24 Mod O Combat Assault Pistols (HK45 compact tacticals). There are feet in the door so to speak.

[justbill]

As heretical as this will be taken, I just can't see a good reason to switch from 9x19 back to .45 ACP. I've never believed that extra .09" means anything in terms of killing Uncle Sam's enemies. The 9mm will also penetrate intermediate barriers a bit better due to increased velocity. Recoil is less as well. And it's physically easier to make a handy 15+ round 9 than a .45 with the same number of cartridges.

[tombogan03884]

As heretical as this will be taken, I just can't see a good reason to switch from 9x19 back to .45 ACP. I've never believed that extra .09" means anything in terms of killing Uncle Sam's enemies. The 9mm will also penetrate intermediate barriers a bit better due to increased velocity. Recoil is less as well. And it's physically easier to make a handy 15+ round 9 than a .45 with the same number of cartridges.

Of course with the extra .090 you don't need as many cartridges  

Yes, this probably is going to turn into a 9mm vs .45 debate  
Seriously I don't care either way as long as it goes bang every single time I want it to.
Even if one doesn't punch through body armor and the other does, I have to ask myself, "Would you rather be stabbed or hit with a bat ?"
My choice is neither of the above. 

[justbill]

Of course with the extra .090 you don't need as many cartridges.

Tell that to a Korean War vet!  

Yes, this probably is going to turn into a 9mm vs .45 debate  

Not from me. That was my first and only comment on the cartridge issue.

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[tombogan03884]

Tell that to a Korean War vet! 

Not from me. That was my first and only comment on the cartridge issue.

Sit back and watch.   

The only other point of debate will be every one rooting for their favorite pistol.
I think you answered the question for the foreseeable future with your earlier post.
Yes, they may keep having these competitions and proposals, but until the economy and Congressional mind set change they don't mean crap.

[2HOW]

The M&P, SIG or Glock.

[MikeO]

They've been getting a little farther every time. No telling how far they get this time.

It's been hard enough to get everybody within and between the players (USA, USMC, USN, USAF) to agree on what they want, let alone getting the money to pay for it.

What's best for Delta, DEVGRU, and MARSOC, etc isn't necessarliy best for everybody else for example. Or to put it another way, what's best for everybody else probably isn't good enough for Delta, DEVGRU and MARSOC...

[seeker_two]

I wouldn't be surprised if FN's FNP doesn't get that spot...they already handle most of the M16/M4 contracts...they'd have enough clout to get this one too....

[Conagher 45]

I shoot both 9mm and .45acp. No matter what cartridge the Government go's with,( witch should be .45acp in my humble opinion.) I would hope they get away from the M9 platform. Just ask the vets who used them, they will give the striaght info on how well it won't perfrom. The Indiana State Police dumped their Berrettas in favor of the Glock 17 (should have been the 21). I still don't understand the armed forces need for a thumb safety unless they want a 1911.