Pistols with a shot at replacing the M9

[Ping]

The Smith and Wesson .38 Revolvers I carried in the Air Force prior to switching to the M9 Beretta did not have a thumb safety! 

[MikeO]

It did have a looooong 10+ lb double action trigger pull. I remember cops, missile, and munitions troops still managing to ND them too!

If Glocks are safe enough for the FBI, DEA, USMS, and ATF, why not the military? MAybe cuzz federal agents that shoot about 5,000 rounds over months of initial training manage to ND their Glocks about 20 times a year. The DC PD had 120 in about 10 yrs. Imagine what troops who shoot less than 200 rounds in one day of training could do w them. While other militaries around the world seem to be handling Glocks safely, not sure we would be one of them.

Glock has made pistols w safeties for other contracts, could proabably convince the Army to define "commercially available off the shelf" to fit those. Or drop the spec. The military has issued G19s to some, but they were experienced NCOs and "special". Then again, maybe cuzz the military does have some experience w troops w Glocks, no matter how special, is why they want a safety?

[tombogan03884]

It did have a looooong 10+ lb double action trigger pull. I remember cops, missile, and munitions troops still managing to ND them too!

If Glocks are safe enough for the FBI, DEA, USMS, and ATF, why not the military? MAybe cuzz federal agents that shoot about 5,000 rounds over months of initial training manage to ND their Glocks about 20 times a year. The DC PD had 120 in about 10 yrs. Imagine what troops who shoot less than 200 rounds in one day of training could do w them. While other militaries around the world seem to be handling Glocks safely, not sure we would be one of them.

Glock has made pistols w safeties for other contracts, could proabably convince the Army to define "commercially available off the shelf" to fit those. Or drop the spec. The military has issued G19s to some, but they were experienced NCOs and "special". Then again, maybe cuzz the military does have some experience w troops w Glocks, no matter how special, is why they want a safety?

Apparently it isn't

[MikeO]

To go along w the FBI agent who shot himself in the hand, the Marshal who shot himself in the leg... ATF just recently switched from SIGs to Glocks, give 'em time to join the crowd.

[tombogan03884]

    I couldn't find video's of those, but here's a lesson in Glock safety just for you.*

*The rest of us have laughed at it before  

[Sponsor]

[Ping]

Just viewed the video and my daughter thought I'd gone insane I was laughing so hard. Thanks for that one Tom. 

[twyacht]

Jus' tryin' to help the kids dog.......

Including the DEA, FBI, ATF,.....etc,...

[JdePietro]

I swear to god a saw a video on this very website. It was SHOT '11 and some one was at the Beretta booth looking at all of the beautiful Italian made art when the Beretta rep said that a .45ACP version of the PX4 was the only pistol to actually complete the last round of pistol hunting the .gov did.

For what its worth I don't think there are very many companies that have the capability to make pistols in numbers the .gov would want for the military and besides that I don't think there are many that make a pistol that would actually pass the new gen requirements. You can like x brand all you want but there is a big difference in the way you use a pistol and the way GI joe does.

[MikeO]

I swear to god a saw a video on this very website. It was SHOT '11 and some one was at the Beretta booth looking at all of the beautiful Italian made art when the Beretta rep said that a .45ACP version of the PX4 was the only pistol to actually complete the last round of pistol hunting the .gov did.

For what its worth I don't think there are very many companies that have the capability to make pistols in numbers the .gov would want for the military and besides that I don't think there are many that make a pistol that would actually pass the new gen requirements. You can like x brand all you want but there is a big difference in the way you use a pistol and the way GI joe does.

He's confused. None of the recent attempts at a new service pistol intended for everybody (JCP, AFH, AFFH, MHS) even started testing; nobody completed any rounds.

The SEALS recently tested some 45s: the winner was the HK45 Compact Tactical, now known as the Mk 24 Mod 0.

All the major players (S&W, Glock, SIG, HK, FN, Beretta,Taurus) could make the pistols in the required amounts, since delivery will be spread out over 5-10 years. Beretta delivered about 320,000 over 5 years back in 1985.

They want a pistol, and the specs will be written w an OTS (off the shelf) requirement. They will have a winner in mind before they even start.

[justbill]

I swear to god a saw a video on this very website. It was SHOT '11 and some one was at the Beretta booth looking at all of the beautiful Italian made art when the Beretta rep said that a .45ACP version of the PX4 was the only pistol to actually complete the last round of pistol hunting the .gov did.

I think you're referring to Ben Cook's interview with Nutnfancy at You Tube