National Reciprocity, HR 822, Not Going Away. Judicial Hearings Tomorrow

[tombogan03884]

They did try to replace Drivers licenses with "RealID" a few years back.
Several states including NH declared it unconstitutional and refused to participate.
First the feds threatened to allow any one from those states to board an aircraft after a certain date.
Then they postponed the date a couple times when the states refused to back down, since then it has kind of faded away.

[Pathfinder]

Lets just take IL as a example... they don't have ccw.  If by some means they were to get ccw, it would have to be extremely restrictive.


This is about how it would play out.

" we can't have ccw, if we do we must honor all those other states that give them to any one. there will be blood in the streets, its for the children..."

Trust me, that is exactly how it will play out, they will use fear and lies to insure it never happens.


you have to remember some states will give you a ccw, if you have a minor drug convictions, others won't.   I can see it now, being denyed in one state, some one moves to a diffrent state in which they could get a CCW, but are denyed becuase of the other states denial.   Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when and which state.

Only flaw in your logic - and it is a HUGE flaw - is that there ain't but 1 state left that does not have CCW - Illinois. Some, like kalifornicated and NY make it damn near impossible to get a CCW ("may" issue), but that is not the same as working to get a CCW law passed.

[TAB]

HI does not as well, interstingly enough they are more strick then IL on guns. 

[Pathfinder]

HI does not as well, interstingly enough they are more strick then IL on guns. 

Wrong.

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/hawaii-ccw-state-laws.php

FTA: "Right-To-Carry Law Type: Restrictive May Issue. In an exceptional case, when an applicant shows reason to fear injury to the applicant's person or property, the chief of police of the appropriate county may grant a license to an applicant who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty one years or more or to a duly accredited official representative of a foreign nation of the age of twenty-one years or more to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor concealed on the person within the county where the license is granted. Where the urgency or the need has been sufficiently indicated, the respective chief of police may grant to an applicant of good moral character who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more, is engaged in the protection of life and property, and is not prohibited under section 1347 from the ownership or possession of a firearm, a license to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor unconcealed on the person within the county where the license is granted. The chief of police of the appropriate county, or the chief's designated representative, shall perform an inquiry on an applicant by using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, to include a check of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement databases, where the applicant is not a citizen of the United States, before any determination to grant a license is made. Unless renewed, the license shall expire one year from the date of issue.

Not many permits are issued, as the standard of "exceptional" case is tough to prove,"

[Solus]

I want to make something clear if it might not be for everyone.

Reciprocity does not mean a National CCW permit with federal specifications for eligibility.

It would work like the current State Driver's License system. Each state has their own procedure and requirements for getting and keeping a driver's license.  Each state has it's own traffic laws, most common to other states but a few that might be particular to a state or states.

The driver's license for any state is recognized by all states....otherwise we would have to arrange for cars and trucks to be towed across a state where our driver's license was not recognized.....similar to the the CCW and general firearms possession laws are today.

[Sponsor]

[tombogan03884]

I want to make something clear if it might not be for everyone.

Reciprocity does not mean a National CCW permit with federal specifications for eligibility.

It would work like the current State Driver's License system. Each state has their own procedure and requirements for getting and keeping a driver's license.  Each state has it's own traffic laws, most common to other states but a few that might be particular to a state or states.

The driver's license for any state is recognized by all states....otherwise we would have to arrange for cars and trucks to be towed across a state where our driver's license was not recognized.....similar to the the CCW and general firearms possession laws are today.

That is not entirely true, during the early 70's most states had changed to a DL with a photo on it.
The last hold out was Tenn. and the Feds stepped in to force them to use the new format when several other states refused to honor Tenn DL's. Tenn drivers were being charged with driving without a valid DL, because of the lack of photo.
In fact, this type of situation was the true reason behind the Constitutions much abused "Commerce clause".

[PegLeg45]

I want to make something clear if it might not be for everyone.

Reciprocity does not mean a National CCW permit with federal specifications for eligibility.

It would work like the current State Driver's License system. Each state has their own procedure and requirements for getting and keeping a driver's license.  Each state has it's own traffic laws, most common to other states but a few that might be particular to a state or states.

The driver's license for any state is recognized by all states....otherwise we would have to arrange for cars and trucks to be towed across a state where our driver's license was not recognized.....similar to the the CCW and general firearms possession laws are today.

That's pretty much it, for the most part.....this has been hashed and re-hashed several times on here. It would be up to the CCW permit holder to be informed of each state's laws regarding CCW and comply when in that particular state, regardless of the issuing state. Eligibility, as TAB likes to beat on, is only a minor point that the anti's will use to try and derail the thing. With national reciprocity, eligibility still falls on the individual states guidelines and adherence falls on the individual when in another state.

[tt11758]

That's pretty much it, for the most part.....this has been hashed and re-hashed several times on here. It would be up to the CCW permit holder to be informed of each state's laws regarding CCW and comply when in that particular state, regardless of the issuing state. Eligibility, as TAB likes to beat on, is only a minor point that the anti's will use to try and derail the thing. With national reciprocity, eligibility still falls on the individual states guidelines and adherence falls on the individual when in another state.

Absolutely right, Peg.  The difference between that and what we have now is that there will be several more states that will honor my Carry Permit.  But just like now, it will be incumbent upon the permit holder to know and obey the relevant laws in the states in which they carry.  IE:  In Iowa, open carry is perfectly legal, elsewhere it is not.  And it's the permit holder's responsibility to be damned sure they know the laws and abide by them.

Sorry TAB, my friend, but in this particular instance, your argument is nothing but a red herring.

[Hazcat]

That's pretty much it, for the most part.....this has been hashed and re-hashed several times on here. It would be up to the CCW permit holder to be informed of each state's laws regarding CCW and comply when in that particular state, regardless of the issuing state. Eligibility, as TAB likes to beat on, is only a minor point that the anti's will use to try and derail the thing. With national reciprocity, eligibility still falls on the individual states guidelines and adherence falls on the individual when in another state.

But I LIKE Hash! 

[tt11758]

But I LIKE Hash! 

I didn't know Fancy Feast offered a hash variety.