XM193 Ammo problems?

[Mel]

Thanks

I think for my next two cases, I will buy the IMI M193
Wideners has 1200rd cases for $318 plus ship

Keep the powder dry!

[justbill]

Somewhat off topic but not straight out of left field either. Why is this stuff sold as XM193? Is it perfectly good ammo but surplus from a large production run? Or was it found not up-to-spec in some way and hence undeliverable to the original customer? If that's the case, how is it out-of-spec?

And then there's a related question, if it is surplus what army still uses M193-type ammo beyond the Israelis? I would think IMI could supply all the ammo the IDF needs.

[tombogan03884]

The "X" designation may be in reference to the US military no longer using it rather than X for experimental.
I don't know, I'm guessing, but the M193 was what was issued back in the 70's.
since then that was replaced by the SS109, and now I under stand the issue round is the M855 or some such.

[twyacht]

Bill Clinton made it illegal to sell surplus ammo back during his tenure so the way around that is for ATK (the government contractor for ammo and owner of Federal) to sell the excess COMPONENTS to Federal and those are then assembled as new ammo and sold under the name XM193.

XM193 is not "experimental". It is overrun ammo made by Federal at the Lake City plant with leftover parts and components from M193 ammo production.

It has a good reputation as well. I've shot thousands of rounds of it personally and never had a problem. If you look on AR15.com's ammo preference/review list it is the second highest rated ammo out there after Black Hills.

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=210