Survival Combo

[Timothy]

Asked before and the answer hasn't changed.

A lever gun in .357/.38 with a 3 or 4" revolver as a sidearm and I'm good.

You can also buy shot shells in that caliber for small game.  A couple of boxes of shells and a several hundred rounds of cartridges would be easy to manage.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=757831

[crusader rabbit]

While I have .44mag lever AND wheel guns (in a safe in AZ), the pair I have with me in Florida (for the SHTF scenario mentioned earlier) are the same configurations in .357mag.  Both are in stainless, both made by Rossi, and both shoot well.

[tombogan03884]

The one place it falls short is for fighting.

Some older Latino "former rebel" transplants, here in the S. Florida area, would disagree...One can carry mucho ammo, with the good 30rd. mags, and a quick trigger, I guarantee it makes an effective suppressive fire weapon.

Targeting tires, radios, even coffee mugs, headlights, equip. whatever, in rapid succession, peppering those "leetle" rds, can keep many a foes head down.  Without expending

There methodology was if your shot with a .22, it will take another guy to tend to you, or drag you out of the area, maybe two.

That's one or two less fighting folk to engage you. While saving the bigger ammo.

If your shot in the torso with one or two .22's albeit your survival chances are fair to midland, but your not shooting at me anymore, and need med care pretty quick.

Poor reasoning is why they are here and not back home.
If their thinking had actual basis in fact their side would have won.    

[twyacht]

Poor reasoning is why they are here and not back home.
If their thinking had actual basis in fact their side would have won.    Grin

Hard to disagree, as there is no official record, but I'll give a thumbs up to the harassment factor, and making you check twice before turkey necking.

[bulldog75]

The .22 debate. Let someone shoot you in the face with one and then tell him that it is not enough gun. I do not want to be shot with anything except whiskey.

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[tombogan03884]

The .22 debate. Let someone shoot you in the face with one and then tell him that it is not enough gun. I do not want to be shot with anything except whiskey.

That isn't a valid argument in this context.
The original comment was that they fail in a fighting situation.
That means that multiple assailants are determined to overpower and/or kill you.
This is considerably different than a couple of punks robbing a target of opportunity.
The punks probably will break off when they realize it isn't just easy money, fear, and pain will often be enough to defeat them.
Determined attackers who want what you have, (Food, shelter etc. ) need to be stopped, not deterred.
They have already accepted the fact that you are going to resist, fear is not going to matter, mere pain will not stop them, they must receive injuries that either kill them outright or cripple them to the point that they are unable to function.
The .22 lr will not do that, that's why the Army goes with the far more expensive 5.56mm.

[twyacht]

Context is important. Historically, it has been used as a combat weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle

The Israeli military used a suppressed .22 LR rifle in the 1990s for riot control and to "eliminate disturbing dogs prior to operations", though it is now used less often as it has been shown to be more lethal than previously suspected.[12] Some other examples include the use of suppressed High Standard HDM pistols by the American OSS, which was the predecessor organization of the CIA.[9] Francis Gary Powers was issued a suppressed High Standard for the flight in which he was shot down. Suppressed Ruger MK II pistols are in current use by the US Navy SEALs.
Wermacht Troops also used PPK/L pistols as well during WWII.


http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/usa/hi-standard-hdm-silenced-e.html

During the World War 2 American government established an Office of Strategic Services (OSS), an intellegence and special operations agency. Among other things, the OSS sent undercover agents to occupied and enemy countries and supplied friendly resistance forces with equipment and weapons. Many clandestine operations, planned and performed by OSS, required silenced weapons, and a request has been sent to develop such a weapon. During 1943, a group of engineers at Bell Telephone Labs designed several silenced semiautomatic pistols, based on various small-bore target pistols made by Colt and High Standard. By late 1943, OSS choose the modified .22 caliber Hi-Standard HD pistol, fitted with integral silencer, and issued a contract for production of this weapon to High Standard Manufacturing corporation. During 1944, High Standard produced several thousands of these pistols, officially designated as "model HDM", but better known simply as "OSS pistols". After the war, Hi-Standard HDM pistols were used by CIA and military special operations personnel during Korean and Vietnam wars, as well as in a number of Cold War operations. It is also possible that few Hi-Standard HDM pistols survived long enough to be used during the Gulf War of 1991. However, probably the most famous user of the Hi-Standard HDM pistol was probably the Francis Gary Powers, an CIA pilot who was shot down in 1960 over the Soviet Union, when conduction spy flight on U2 airplane.

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Two things,

1) a .22lr pistol/rifle is always a good addition to a survival combo package.
2) Rifles would work in combination with additional resistance members of your team as a suppressive fire weapon, allowing larger caliber rds. to be conserved.

The thing about being in a total survival situation is that everyone is playing under the same medical rules. A small wound today is tomorrow's gangrene and tetanus.

[Ping]

.357 all around. But I do like the .22.

[Solus]

Forget all these sissy wheel and lever guns.

I'll wait for them to make an UZI in .357 and pair it with a Desert Eagle.....then I just need to get it approved for carry on my Night Security job at the Mall.    

[Solus]

.357 all around. But I do like the .22.

Wonder if a barrel insert and a replacement cylinder in .22 for a wheel gun is feasible?

Doubt there would be much you can do with the lever gun....just have to find room to pack an AR-7


BTW, Ruger .45 Colts come with a .45 ACP cylinder...at least they used to.