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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2011, 09:36:15 AM »
Wonder if a barrel insert and a replacement cylinder in .22 for a wheel gun is feasible?

Doubt there would be much you can do with the lever gun....just have to find room to pack an AR-7


BTW, Ruger .45 Colts come with a .45 ACP cylinder...at least they used to.




nope can't be done.  Max wall thickness would be in the .065 range.


The 45 acp 45 colt deal was also a joke, two diffrent bores. the 45 acp would not be accurate for shit.
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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2011, 10:16:54 AM »

nope can't be done.  Max wall thickness would be in the .065 range.


The 45 acp 45 colt deal was also a joke, two diffrent bores. the 45 acp would not be accurate for shit.
Tab, most modern manufacturers have standardized the .45 bore to .451 so accuracy wouldn't be an issue.
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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2011, 11:10:00 AM »
Context is important. Historically, it has been used as a combat weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle

The Israeli military used a suppressed .22 LR rifle in the 1990s for riot control and to "eliminate disturbing dogs prior to operations", though it is now used less often as it has been shown to be more lethal than previously suspected.[12] Some other examples include the use of suppressed High Standard HDM pistols by the American OSS, which was the predecessor organization of the CIA.[9] Francis Gary Powers was issued a suppressed High Standard for the flight in which he was shot down. Suppressed Ruger MK II pistols are in current use by the US Navy SEALs.
Wermacht Troops also used PPK/L pistols as well during WWII.


http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/usa/hi-standard-hdm-silenced-e.html

During the World War 2 American government established an Office of Strategic Services (OSS), an intellegence and special operations agency. Among other things, the OSS sent undercover agents to occupied and enemy countries and supplied friendly resistance forces with equipment and weapons. Many clandestine operations, planned and performed by OSS, required silenced weapons, and a request has been sent to develop such a weapon. During 1943, a group of engineers at Bell Telephone Labs designed several silenced semiautomatic pistols, based on various small-bore target pistols made by Colt and High Standard. By late 1943, OSS choose the modified .22 caliber Hi-Standard HD pistol, fitted with integral silencer, and issued a contract for production of this weapon to High Standard Manufacturing corporation. During 1944, High Standard produced several thousands of these pistols, officially designated as "model HDM", but better known simply as "OSS pistols". After the war, Hi-Standard HDM pistols were used by CIA and military special operations personnel during Korean and Vietnam wars, as well as in a number of Cold War operations. It is also possible that few Hi-Standard HDM pistols survived long enough to be used during the Gulf War of 1991. However, probably the most famous user of the Hi-Standard HDM pistol was probably the Francis Gary Powers, an CIA pilot who was shot down in 1960 over the Soviet Union, when conduction spy flight on U2 airplane.

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Two things,

1) a .22lr pistol/rifle is always a good addition to a survival combo package.
2) Rifles would work in combination with additional resistance members of your team as a suppressive fire weapon, allowing larger caliber rds. to be conserved.

The thing about being in a total survival situation is that everyone is playing under the same medical rules. A small wound today is tomorrow's gangrene and tetanus.

Again, not a valid argument, assassination is not "fighting".
The medical comment may be valid but does you no good at all if a couple of the BG's die of infection a few days after the kill you, or bleed out 20 minutes after beating you to death.



nope can't be done.  Max wall thickness would be in the .065 range.


The 45 acp 45 colt deal was also a joke, two diffrent bores. the 45 acp would not be accurate for shit.

I'm not positive what you are talking about, but I suspect you got his post bassakwards.
I believe there is a manufacturer who does make .22 call chamber inserts , in order to fit in a .357 chamber it would have a wall thickness of about .145.

Personally, I would go with .357 combo and the AR 7, It would not take up that much extra room, as has been mentioned the ammo also is compact, and the one I shot , back when Armalite was making them, was surprisingly accurate.
I can not comment about the quality of the later Charter Arms, or current Henry versions.

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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2011, 02:10:27 PM »
I think a Glock in 10mm with a AR in 10mm would be a nice modern combo.  45 ACP would be my first choice for a handgun but the 10mm Double tap loads in a carbine would pack some serious punch.
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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2011, 02:31:37 PM »
I think a Glock in 10mm with a AR in 10mm would be a nice modern combo.  45 ACP would be my first choice for a handgun but the 10mm Double tap loads in a carbine would pack some serious punch.

What does that use for Magazines ?
I know some of the .45ACP models use Thompson mags, can you use those for 10MM or are there "proprietary" mags you need to buy ?

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Re: Survival Combo
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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2011, 11:45:33 AM »
What does that use for Magazines ?
I know some of the .45ACP models use Thompson mags, can you use those for 10MM or are there "proprietary" mags you need to buy ?
I think they are UZI 45 mags converted to 10mm, I saw some reference to Sten magazines too.  I would think someone would look into Glock mags that would make it a slam dunk combo.  Just make sure you have your "carbine only" loads marked so you dont blow up your Glock.
I dont own either one, if I had to come up with something in short order I'd just get a HK MP5 clone in 45acp and use my XDM.
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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2011, 12:35:34 PM »
Again, not a valid argument, assassination is not "fighting".
The medical comment may be valid but does you no good at all if a couple of the BG's die of infection a few days after the kill you, or bleed out 20 minutes after beating you to death.


I'm not positive what you are talking about, but I suspect you got his post bassakwards.
I believe there is a manufacturer who does make .22 call chamber inserts , in order to fit in a .357 chamber it would have a wall thickness of about .145.
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I thought you were a machinist?  you need to divide it by 2.  .357"-.222"=.135"     divide that by 2.   that would be the tickness on the lands, the groves would be even smaller.  Atleast for the bore, then add in a clearance factor and a expantion factor.


even a cylinder would be a extremly tight fit,  22 lr is .226" 357 is .379  thats still only a wall thick ness about .075  If they were a press fit item it would be no big deal, but a drop in, no way.
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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2011, 02:25:57 PM »
I see TAB beat me to it.
I got a PM from him catching me in a bonehead mistake  

"you need to remember to divide by 2."

Damn, I HATE when that happens  ;D



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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2011, 02:35:41 PM »
I see TAB beat me to it.
I got a PM from him catching me in a bonehead mistake  

"you need to remember to divide by 2."

Damn, I HATE when that happens  ;D



there is a reason why I got my degree in math.
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Re: Survival Combo
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2011, 02:49:22 PM »
there is a reason why I got my degree in math.

Cuz remedial reading and writing was all booked up!


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