Do medical marijuana users have right to bear arms? No, says ATF

[philw]

just throwing it out there


what is the difference if it was alcohol

comes down to "under the influence "

can not use firearms when under the influence alcohol or any other medication,  why not tread marijuana the same way

[Timothy]

just throwing it out there


what is the difference if it was alcohol

comes down to "under the influence "

can not use firearms when under the influence alcohol or any other medication,  why not tread marijuana the same way

In my highly educated opinion in both arenas, there is no difference!

I'm toast on booze for the most part and twenty years ago or more, I was more than functional when I smoked pot!

America needs to get over this issue!

[philw]

wonder how much crime rates would reduce  ( and how much tax the Gov would get)  if they treated marijuana the same as alcohol

there are i think 2 or 3 countries  that have done that and crime rates had fallen in a lot of area's

[mkm]

I have zero experience with either, but feel like it should be treated like any other prescription.  Based off of watching a lot of History Channel and the like, there are no countries where marijuana is legal; although, it has been decriminalized in several.  Decriminalization is also how it works in states that allow it for medical purposes.

The federal government is a bit hypocritical on the issue too since they have a list (down to four) of people they grow it for and send it to.  These people are pretty much legal to smoke it anywhere tobacco can be smoked.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/09/us_government_provides_marijua.html

Should have known Ole' Miss would be the government's pot grower.


I'm a bit mixed on the legalization issue, but the current system isn't working.  Other than the border problems and people shooting each other over it (a product of it's legal status), there are much scarier drugs out there like meth and crack.

[TAB]

Here is the thing with pot, its a class 1 narc.  which means you can't even do studys on it.


here is a qoute strait from the dea site

Schedule I Controlled Substances
Substances in this schedule have a high potential for abuse, have no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and there is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

Some examples of substances listed in schedule I are: heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), peyote, methaqualone, and 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (“ecstasy”).

Its not a class 2 or 3 witch have a medical use( alteast according to the dea)

[Sponsor]

[Solus]

We will concede that the DEA is wrong in this case (as I feel they are in the whole War On Drugs).

The ATF's own form 4473 specifies "unlawful use of, or addition to" as the dis-qualifier and a medical marijuana user is neither.  

By it's own specifications, the ATF is wrong in this restriction.

As far as the 2A not having been formed when drug use was prevalent, it was not unknown then.  

However, the restriction should be not on the use of a substance, but the illegality of it's use as illegal acts makes one a criminal and that is the restriction.

I feel that the intent of the 2A was so honest and honorable men could be armed for all the usual reasons and several of the writings of the Founding Fathers support this.

However this also might not be accurate.  I'd not be surprised if the Founding Fathers would require most criminals to go defenseless where they to keep away from the populace in general and survive in the wilderness.  

[tombogan03884]

Here is the thing with pot, its a class 1 narc.  which means you can't even do studys on it.


here is a qoute strait from the dea site


Its not a class 2 or 3 witch have a medical use( alteast according to the dea)

That is meaningless, it lists Peyote, however members of the Native American Church have been exempted by SCOTUS under 1st amendment grounds.
They are free to gather and use peyote as they please.

[Hazcat]

That is meaningless, it lists Peyote, however members of the Native American Church have been exempted by SCOTUS under 1st amendment grounds.
They are free to gather and use peyote as they please.

The Indians are also a separate nation.

On the MaryJane side.  It only rules that an FFL dealer cannot sell to a 'user'.  He should still be able to buy from an individual under state laws.

[tombogan03884]

The Indians are also a separate nation.

On the MaryJane side.  It only rules that an FFL dealer cannot sell to a 'user'.  He should still be able to buy from an individual under state laws.

It applies off the Reservation as well.

[philw]

thing is though

forgot how long and the history behind Tobacco and alcohol,  if someone tried to introduce those products today  it would never happen and they would end up getting treated the same as weed or other illicit drugs.