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JLawson

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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2011, 11:55:36 PM »
Fox/AP is reporting the vote as 272 to 154.  It would take two-thirds of those voting to override Obama's veto.  If everyone who voted the first time also showed up for the override vote, it would take about 284 votes to override the veto.  Do you think they could muster the 12 votes?  The Senate has no parallel bill.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/house-to-vote-on-concealed-firearm-permit-bill/?test=latestnews

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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2011, 01:37:43 AM »
Thats assuming it makes it back thru unchanged...  I wouldn't count on that.


Even if this does pass, I have little doubt that several AGs will be filing law suits to stop it.
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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #62 on: November 17, 2011, 06:53:31 AM »
Quote from: TAB on November 17, 2011, 01:37:43 AM
Thats assuming it makes it back thru unchanged...  I wouldn't count on that.


Even if this does pass, I have little doubt that several AGs will be filing law suits to stop it.

That is probably true...

But I wonder how strong their case would be when they have not objected to Driver's License reciprocity?

More folks are killed with automobiles each year than guns and automobiles are used in the commission of crimes probably more then firearms and automobiles are owned by more folks then own guns....

And even if they do win, it seems that may lead to a case mandating legal open carry for all non-residents who can carry legally in their home state....which isn't an unwelcome eventuality.

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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #63 on: November 17, 2011, 01:20:57 PM »
Quote from: Solus on November 17, 2011, 06:53:31 AM
That is probably true...

But I wonder how strong their case would be when they have not objected to Driver's License reciprocity?

More folks are killed with automobiles each year than guns and automobiles are used in the commission of crimes probably more then firearms and automobiles are owned by more folks then own guns....

And even if they do win, it seems that may lead to a case mandating legal open carry for all non-residents who can carry legally in their home state....which isn't an unwelcome eventuality.




there are 2 outcomes I can forsee, 1 the law is thrown out or is watered down to the point where it does nothing.

2 they creat national standards. 

remember if you lose you DL in one state, you can't just move ti a duffrent state and get another.  you can with a ccw.
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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #64 on: November 17, 2011, 01:26:00 PM »
I agree with TAB here. I'm good in something like 37 states with my Fl. permit. I expect that number to go up. I get that I'll never carry in Hi. or NJ., but I can live with that. I think the states are doing a pretty good job of negotiating this sort of thing on their own. I don't trust the feds here.
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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #65 on: November 17, 2011, 01:35:13 PM »
TAB has a vested interest in seeing this fail.

If it passes and everyone can carry everywhere, he will have to stop calling Uncle Ted scum because he got sworn in as a deputy sheriff and could carry everywhere when other could not......

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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #66 on: November 17, 2011, 02:04:47 PM »
I'm still campaigning for my proposal:  We have the Second Amendment, and that is good nationwide!  If I break a law that negates my constitutionally protected rights it will be noted on my driver's license or state identification just like a drunk driving incident would be.  I want to purchase a gun, they call in my id number and if I'm legal I take the gun, if I am carrying they call in my id number and if I'm legal I walk.

Simple Huh?  And as I have said before, this is far more restriction than the courts will allow for voting.
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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #67 on: November 17, 2011, 02:09:27 PM »
Quote from: m58 on November 17, 2011, 02:04:47 PM
I'm still campaigning for my proposal:  We have the Second Amendment, and that is good nationwide!  If I break a law that negates my constitutionally protected rights it will be noted on my driver's license or state identification just like a drunk driving incident would be.  I want to purchase a gun, they call in my id number and if I'm legal I take the gun, if I am carrying they call in my id number and if I'm legal I walk.

Simple Huh?  And as I have said before, this is far more restriction than the courts will allow for voting.
I like it. National reciprocity as it is working it's way through Congress could screw me good. As a NJ resident, would that mean I COULD NOT carry in any state since I can't get CCW in my home state?
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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #68 on: November 17, 2011, 02:19:43 PM »
Quote from: Solus on November 17, 2011, 01:35:13 PM
TAB has a vested interest in seeing this fail.

If it passes and everyone can carry everywhere, he will have to stop calling Uncle Ted scum because he got sworn in as a deputy sheriff and could carry everywhere when other could not......




you forget, I have my ccw. 
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Re: National Reciprocity?
« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2011, 02:31:28 PM »
Quote from: TAB on November 17, 2011, 02:19:43 PM

you forget, I have my ccw. 

But you can't carry everywhere like that scum can.
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