Herman Cain

[Timothy]

do you even know what we do? 


I'll give you a hint the recent change in title 24 has help us a bunch.

That last I heard you do energy audits.  Regardless, you should be able to sell yourself and make a profit that isn't raped by the state that you reside in.  Do you think that Kalifornistan is the only state that needs your services?

I have no problem with conserving energy!  Green is a bit off the edge but saving a company energy equates to saving a company money in the short and the long term and I've not worked for ANY company that isn't willing to save money!

[tombogan03884]

"Green" is a load of liberal BS.
The idea of increased energy efficiency to lower expenses is simply economic common sense .

[Timothy]

"Green" is a load of liberal BS.
The idea of increased energy efficiency to lower expenses is simply economic common sense .

BINGO!

[TAB]

but do other states mandate smart meters?

you know the ones that charge you more by when you use your power?  Thats our spot in the market place, others can tell you the total power used, but can't tell you when.  becuase of a few pattens my biz partner owns, we can tell you exactly when you are using said power.

We also have a insualtion company.


Tom most green is BS.  We actually have real world solutions that don't rob peter to pay pual.


Oh you want a green tip that every one can do and save them selfs $$$ and use alot less water?

Pee in the shower.  Really, it well save 584 gallons of water per person, per year( 1.6 g/flush toilets).  if your charged by the cubic foot, it will save you about 78 cubic feet a year.

[kmitch200]

but do other states mandate smart meters?  you know the ones that charge you more by when you use your power?

I doubt AZ mandates them but APS wants every home they service to have them in place by 2013-4.

Oh you want a green tip that every one can do and save them selfs $$$ and use alot less water? Pee in the shower.

Does the sink count? Usually I remove the dishes first....

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[billt]

( 1.6 g/flush toilets)

The perfect example of government stupidity and "green" thinking. It takes nothing to clog one of these things. So you end up crapping, then flush, and wiping, then flush again. Your 1.6 gallon flush toilet now becomes 3.2 gallons minimum. And believe me I've had deposits that require 3 or more flushes! Ever try cleaning a plunger you used because the present "load" didn't quite make it? You can thank your government if you have. Trust me the thinking employed with this monstrosity isn't "green" it's brown!

[billt]

That all other "hidden" taxes on goods are eliminated in the process! Remember, every single part of a supply chain is taxed by either the Feds or the states and according to his statements, all of those taxes would be gone.

Please don't make me laugh because this isn't even close to being the truth. The reason is simple. How many taxes in your lifetime have you ever seen "eliminated" in favor of another? I have never seen or heard of one. Have you ever seen toll roads made free? The Golden Gate Bridge cost $35,500,000.00 to build. In fiscal year 2009-10, approximately 123 million vehicles crossed the seven state-owned toll bridges in the Bay Area, generating approximately $466 million in total toll revenues. In short, San Francisco takes in over 13 times in one year in tolls alone what it costs to entirely build the Golden Gate Bridge. Illinois toll road system is much the same. They were only supposed to remain "toll roads" until the bonds were paid off. That was over half a century ago. Everyone is still not only paying, but paying more.

Taxes are much like gun control. They won't give up one gun law to get another. This is why we have over 20,000 gun laws on Federal, state, and local levels. And yet none of them make any sense, because now the liberals preach we need "common sense" gun laws. Will they get rid of one of the 20,000 in favor of one that applies common sense by their own admission? Not hardly. They'll give up taxes even less.

Cain's plan is lip service to get him elected, nothing more. And that is only if people are stupid enough to buy into it. I won't argue if they are or aren't. They elected Hussein so anything is possible in that regard. As far as "hidden taxes" being eliminated in favor of a "flat tax"?.... You'll never see it in your lifetime, anymore than you will see the IRS eliminated. Once you start these government departments they never go away, they just continue to feed and grow larger and more powerful in the process. Yet do nothing. The "Department Of Homeland Security" is a perfect example. We have yet another government department to feed that costs hundreds of billions, and our southern border still leaks like a sieve. Once you have a child you can never stop feeding it until it can take care of itself. The difference between government and children is they never become self sufficient. They just require more "food".

Because Cain's plan attacks the governments money supply, it has even less chance of becoming reality than Ron Paul's nonsense that he's trying to sell. Like the closing of 800 military bases worldwide, and returning this nation to a gold standard. Politicians preach a lot of hot air on the campaign trail. But this years bunch are exceptionally full of it.

[jnevis]

Don’t tell Occupy Wall Street: Cain’s 9-9-9 plan would be boon for private equity titans
By Zachary Roth

Senior National Affairs Reporter

PostsEmailRSSBy Zachary Roth | The Lookout – 14 hrs

Under Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan, the managers of private equity funds--one of the most lucrative financial structures on Wall Street--would pay, on average, an income tax rate of just around 6 percent.

That's less than the 9 percent rate most workers would pay, and it's a huge dropoff from the best assessment of the tax rate for private-equity fund managers under the existing tax code, which is around 29 percent.

An accountant with the American Institute of CPAs prepared an analysis on Friday, at the request of Yahoo News, that found that Warren Buffett would likely pay no income taxes under Cain's 9-9-9 plan. But the plan would be almost as kind to those who run private equity funds. They would pay "a very, very small effective rate," Robert Willens, a tax adviser to financial firms and a former managing director at Lehman Brothers, told The Lookout.
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In a typical private-equity fund, the managers are paid about 2 percent of the firm's assets as a managing fee, plus 20 percent of the fund's profits--the "2 and 20" standard. But they pay income tax only on the 2 percent managing fee. The fund's profits are reported as "carried interest," which count as long-term capital gains. Under the current tax system, those gains are taxed at a rate of just 15 percent.

Under Cain's 9-9-9 plan, which has helped push him to the top of several polls of the 2012 Republican presidential field, long-term capital gains would not be taxed at all.
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So under Cain's plan, which imposes a flat 9 percent income tax on everyone, private-equity managers would pay a 9 percent rate on the 66.7 percent share of their earnings that are subject to income tax. That comes to 6 percent of their total income, a reduction of almost 80 percent from the roughly 29 percent rate that Metrick and Kasuda's finding indicates they're currently paying.

Cain's plan lacks specifics, so it conceivably could involve closing the carried interest loophole. Asked by The Lookout whether Cain would continue to treat carried interest as a capital gain, a spokesman for the campaign pledged to respond, but did not do so before deadline.

"Will get back to you on carried interest," Rich Lowrie, Cain's top economic adviser and the man who helped devise the 9-9-9 plan, wrote in a subsequent e-mail to The Lookout.
Didn't we collectively complain a LOT about non-specific policy details and the constant "I'll get back with you." answers from BHO?  Just saying.  He's still better than BHO but...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/don-t-tell-occupy-wall-street-cain-9-225053818.html

[tombogan03884]

The perfect example of government stupidity and "green" thinking. It takes nothing to clog one of these things. So you end up crapping, then flush, and wiping, then flush again. Your 1.6 gallon flush toilet now becomes 3.2 gallons minimum. And believe me I've had deposits that require 3 or more flushes! Ever try cleaning a plunger you used because the present "load" didn't quite make it? You can thank your government if you have. Trust me the thinking employed with this monstrosity isn't "green" it's brown!

That is just way to much information.
Come on Bill, we have standards here, they may be low, but we do have them.   

[Solus]

The perfect example of government stupidity and "green" thinking. It takes nothing to clog one of these things. So you end up crapping, then flush, and wiping, then flush again. Your 1.6 gallon flush toilet now becomes 3.2 gallons minimum. And believe me I've had deposits that require 3 or more flushes! Ever try cleaning a plunger you used because the present "load" didn't quite make it? You can thank your government if you have. Trust me the thinking employed with this monstrosity isn't "green" it's brown!

You've hit on one of my top pet peeves.   Those damn "efficient" toilets.

It it mandatory to use at least two flushes to reduce the chance of clogs and 3 flushes to make them work like the "wasteful" toilets did.  

The bowl doesn't hold enough water to loosen the paper and excrement, so it gets into the drain in a more solid clump.  Two flushes seems to push the solid clump farther along, but does little to loosen it.  The three flushes seem to add enough agitation through movement and additional water to do the job.

Yeah...and because there is little water in the bowl, cleaning them or the tools  needed to keep them flowing is a real PITA.

Can you think of much that is more ludicrous for the Congress of the US to be involved with and feel the need to legislate than how your crapper works?