Combat handgun. What do you want?

[tombogan03884]

It may be that they do not trust the slide with .45 ACP after the trouble they had with 9MM causing them to crack.

[billt]

It may be that they do not trust the slide with .45 ACP after the trouble they had with 9MM causing them to crack.

I'm thinking that as well. Even though the .45 ACP is loaded to much lower pressure, it has far more recoil, especially in high performance defense loads. Also, Beretta is about the only manufacturer who hasn't done so with their large frame pistols. They make the 92 in .40 S&W, but not .45 ACP. They got the PX -4 "Storm" in .45 ACP. It's got that rotating barrel abortion, and seems to work well in .45, but I'm willing to bet there are prototype .45, 92-FS models lying around their engineering dept...... Perhaps with cracks in the slide.

[fightingquaker13]

I'm thinking that as well. Even though the .45 ACP is loaded to much lower pressure, it has far more recoil, especially in high performance defense loads. Also, Beretta is about the only manufacturer who hasn't done so with their large frame pistols. They make the 92 in .40 S&W, but not .45 ACP. They got the PX -4 "Storm" in .45 ACP. It's got that rotating barrel abortion, and seems to work well in .45, but I'm willing to bet there are prototype .45, 92-FS models lying around their engineering dept...... Perhaps with cracks in the slide.

I have never liked that gun. Obviously the army does, but I don't know why. Frankly, if I were to be issued a 9mm and it couldn't be a Glock (or something like it, a Sig etc.)  because of the safety issue, I'd sure as hell rather carry a Browning hi-power than the Berreta. The Browning is a scaled down 1911 and is pretty much bullet proof. My only complaint is the mag disconnect safety, which would be a DQ in terms of a combat hand gun, but that should be an easy fix.
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[billt]

I have never liked that gun. Obviously the army does, but I don't know why. Frankly, if I were to be issued a 9mm and it couldn't be a Glock (or something like it, a Sig etc.)  because of the safety issue, I'd sure as hell rather carry a Browning hi-power than the Berreta. The Browning is a scaled down 1911 and is pretty much bullet proof. My only complaint is the mag disconnect safety, which would be a DQ in terms of a combat hand gun, but that should be an easy fix.
FQ13

I was the same way. I thought it was way too big for a 15 shot 9 MM. I've fired them a couple of times, but never really thought about buying one. Until Melanie came home from Cabela's with this one a couple of years ago. They were on sale, and she had a "$50.00 Off" coupon as well, so she ended up getting it for $100.00 off. After I started playing with it I started to like it. Since then we've shot it quite a lot. I picked up a couple of the Mec-Gar 20 round magazines for it, which makes more sense because for the guns size it should hold more than 15. Overall it isn't too bad, but it does need better grips. The plastic ones feel good, they just look cheap.

[fightingquaker13]

My problem is the trigger. It should be consistent, not heavy on the first shot and then light after that. I mean hell, the first shot is probably going to be the one that matters, and so why is it tough to pull? Add to that that the second shot is going to seem light, and as a result I might have an ND or just plain miss. As far as I am concerned, a combat handgun should be either DAO (my preference), or a single action like a 1911 or Hi-Power. Pick one. Just don't give me something where in the heat of the moment I have to worry about trigger pull. Maybe its just me and YMMV, but if I were going to the sand box I would beg, borrow or steal a 1911 if there was any chance that I'd be allowed to carry it over the Berreta. (and if I got the chance for a Glock? I'd make my superior officer a very happy man and cure myself with bottles of mouth wash and a Victoria's Secret catalog). The Berreta is a well built pistol, but I just don't like them and I would never carry one for SD if I had the choice.
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[billt]

The gun has a trigger you either like or you don't. I'm not very "trigger sensitive", so for me it isn't too bad. I've never come across a trigger that was what I would term to be bad enough to get rid of a gun over, or even have it worked on. That said, I prefer a single action as well, over a DA/SA, or DAO. The gun points well, and is easy to shoot. For that reason I can see why the Army chose it. You have to remember few soldiers are gun enthusiasts, and many join without having picked up a gun in their life. I can see where this gun would be easier to train a new shooter on than a 1911. It is also very easy to field strip, and clean. Another priority with the Army.

[fightingquaker13]

I'm not very "trigger sensitive", so for me it isn't too bad. I've never come across a trigger that was what I would term to be bad enough to get rid of a gun over, or even have it worked on.

Try a kel-tec P-11. I took two trips to the range, and now it closely resembles a Glock 26. The trigger was three steps beyond awful. The Beretta is a dream in comparison. I get your point about the Beretta in terms of the "idiot proof" factor which should always be a priority for the Army, but there are a whole lot of better alternatives out there if you ask me.
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[tombogan03884]

My problem is the trigger. It should be consistent, not heavy on the first shot and then light after that. I mean hell, the first shot is probably going to be the one that matters, and so why is it tough to pull? Add to that that the second shot is going to seem light, and as a result I might have an ND or just plain miss. As far as I am concerned, a combat handgun should be either DAO (my preference), or a single action like a 1911 or Hi-Power. Pick one. Just don't give me something where in the heat of the moment I have to worry about trigger pull. Maybe its just me and YMMV, but if I were going to the sand box I would beg, borrow or steal a 1911 if there was any chance that I'd be allowed to carry it over the Berreta. (and if I got the chance for a Glock? I'd make my superior officer a very happy man and cure myself with bottles of mouth wash and a Victoria's Secret catalog). The Berreta is a well built pistol, but I just don't like them and I would never carry one for SD if I had the choice.
FQ13

It's the nature of the design, you would not like the Walther p-38 either

[bafsu92]

I'm thinking that as well. Even though the .45 ACP is loaded to much lower pressure, it has far more recoil, especially in high performance defense loads. Also, Beretta is about the only manufacturer who hasn't done so with their large frame pistols. They make the 92 in .40 S&W, but not .45 ACP. They got the PX -4 "Storm" in .45 ACP. It's got that rotating barrel abortion, and seems to work well in .45, but I'm willing to bet there are prototype .45, 92-FS models lying around their engineering dept...... Perhaps with cracks in the slide.

I've thought about that as well but they supposedly fixed all cracking issues with better forgings. I wonder if they could use the version that has the higher sides, I think they call it the Brigadeer or something like that. It's supposedly got a lot more strength.

[tombogan03884]

The Brigadier was the single stack.
They could do like T/C did when it beefed up the original Contender design and add big lumps of steel to the weak area's..