Kel-tec Sub 2000 opinions

[Solus]

Look into the Mec-Tech (I believe it is).  They have a Carbine upper that uses your pistol lower and mags.  I haven't fired one but it is interesting especially if you have, say, 2 Glocks.  You can use one as is and use the other lower on the Carbine or you can pick up a Lone Wolf Dist. frame and have it dedicated to the Carbine.  KOOL with 33 round mags.

FWIW

Richard

I got a good price on the Mech-Tech a couple of years ago from a third party distributor.  It came with the standard skeletal metal frame stock with a butt pad and I ordered the M4 type collapsible stock. 

I had trouble removing the old stock because it takes a VERY thin wall 3/8 box or nut driver.  I shelved that project due to other priorities and have just recently started up on it again.  I used a Dremel to cut the old stock frame away and was able to remove it with the tools I had.  However, the same type box wrench was needed to install the M4 type stock.

I contacted Mech-Tech and spoke to Frank Jones, General Manager, who called me in response to my email.

They have an adapter that you can use with a threaded M4 stock.  They are exchanging the one I purchased 2 years ago for this new one.  They just received my return yesterday, so we will see how soon they get the replacement to me.

Mr. Jones said that they use a Skill 3/8 box for this removal and install and it works.  Most modern tools are cheaply made and cannot be that thin with the poor material they use.

He offered the exchange because he didn't like me to have to purchase a Skill tool just for this.

I purchased a Glock 21SF and used my plain Glock 21 frame for the Mech-Tech. 

Not sure how their product will perform, but I'm pleased with the customer service so far.

[mkm]

Thanks for the input.  Y'all are pretty much confirming what I've read elsewhere.

They advertise as having a G19 version available; how available, I don't know. http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/sub-2000/

The 9mm ARs are appealing, but I think I would go ahead and get one chambered for a rifle round if I was going to spend the money on an ar.  The price of the keltec is one of the big plusses.

I don't think I want to take one of my pistols out of commission to get the Mech-tech.  If I could afford another 10mm and wanted a carbine to match, that would probably be my best option.  But I'm only looking for 9mm at the moment.

The size, compatibility, price are what make the Kel-tec my top prospect at the moment.  It doesn't hurt that it keeps getting pretty good reviews. 

If you want a truck gun / plinker / toy then the Kel-Tec is great.

That's what I'm primarily looking for.  Mainly a range gun, but reliable enough to depend on in an emergency.

[fightingquaker13]

Actually, I called them on the phone (just because I was curious) and talked to a guy named Sean. He seemed pleased with the carbine. They do make a G-19 compliant version and he swore up and down it was good out to close to  100 yards. Lets factor in the Koolaid and the fact that these guys probably get to shoot the things for free and so are probably real good with them. We'll call it 75 yards for us mere mortals. Still not too shabby for a $400 easily concealed gun.
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[r_w]

I want one as a truck/saddlebag (MC) gun.  Push the right rounds out of a 16 inch barrel and they are quite effective.  I like the idea because I can use is as a legal deer gun, while 9 or 40 out of a pistol are not allowed. 

That would be a good gelatin test for MB--run pistol vs. carbine for the same ammo.  9, 357, 44, 45 etc.  Whitebox/ball and top tier.  I think you could/should really SHOW what a difference ammo makes.

[Big Frank]

I never shot 9mm out of a carbine barrel but the .45 kicks butt. The 16" barrel probably adds 1/3 to the ME in both calibers. Mech-Tech used to say on their website what kind of velocity to expect. The penetration of the 9mm should be quite deep.

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[r_w]

I never shot 9mm out of a carbine barrel but the .45 kicks butt.

Yeah, it made the 30's roar.

[PegLeg45]

Actually, I called them on the phone (just because I was curious) and talked to a guy named Sean. He seemed pleased with the carbine. They do make a G-19 compliant version and he swore up and down it was good out to close to  100 yards. Lets factor in the Koolaid and the fact that these guys probably get to shoot the things for free and so are probably real good with them. We'll call it 75 yards for us mere mortals. Still not too shabby for a $400 easily concealed gun.
FQ13

Mine in .40 S&W caliber will (from a sandbagged rest on a bench) put its shots into an IPSC center-mass area, if aiming at the goozle pipe area, at 85yds. The drop changes depending on the ammo velocity. COR-BON +P ammo sings pretty good and might be good to 100, but I don't see me needing to shoot at people that far away with this gun.

I know several local area police officers that are issued Glock 22 handguns and carry the SUB-2000's in their duty gear bags as back-up, since both use the same mags.

[bafsu92]

Mine in .40 S&W caliber will (from a sandbagged rest on a bench) put its shots into an IPSC center-mass area, if aiming at the goozle pipe area, at 85yds. The drop changes depending on the ammo velocity. COR-BON +P ammo sings pretty good and might be good to 100, but I don't see me needing to shoot at people that far away with this gun.

I know several local area police officers that are issued Glock 22 handguns and carry the SUB-2000's in their duty gear bags as back-up, since both use the same mags.

That's one reason I got mine. Some of our contract facilities don't want us carrying our AR's or shotguns in the vehicles on property but since we've got issued 9mm Glocks they have no issue with the Sub2K's. Since most of our potential shootings would be with either vehicles or cargo containers I think the 16" barrel and 33rd mags are a serious advantage over a pistol. I've got most of my mags loaded with our duty Gold Dot 124gr+P+ HP's but I keep a couple loaded with some really hot Israeli FMJ 115gr I picked up years ago when I was working in Serbia. The difference on the chrono between the 4" barrel and the 16" barrel is about 325fps. I wouldn't go so far as to call it armor piercing or barricade ammo but I feel a lot better if I need to punch through a corner of a cargo container with it.

[Big Frank]

Yeah, it made the 30's roar.

And that was only a 10.5" barrel. 16" adds even more zing. 

[mkm]

Yeah, it made the 20's roar.

FIFY

I've been fighting the urge, but, for the sake of accuracy, I had to.

I have no .45's in my stable; so, I'll have to stick with letting the 9 mm's scream for now.