Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration

[Solus]

Seems members of the Obamination Administration are looking to redefine what makes one an organ donor.

From the article

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The proposal could move the federal government closer into alignment with what has been proposed by longtime Barack Obama adviser Cass Sunstein.

Obama's "regulatory czar" was revealed in 2009 to have pushed strongly for the removal of organs from those who did not give their consent to becoming an organ donor.

In his book, "Nudge: Improving Decisions about Health, Wealth and Happiness," Sunstein and co-author Richard Thaler presented the possibility of the "routine removal" of organs because "the state owns the rights to body parts of people who are dead or in certain hopeless conditions, and it can remove their organs without asking anyone's permission.
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You can find the story here:  http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=368257

[fightingquaker13]

I certainly wouldn't go that far. The property rights claim is both wrong and brings up unpleasant images. However, I do think organ donation should be an "opt out" rather than an "opt in' system. That is, if you DON'T want to donate for whatever reason, you should be able to check the no box when you get your DL. If you don't check no, that means you give consent. Its pretty much the same system we have now only in reverse. It puts the burden on those who wish to let their corpse rot rather than helping others live (and yes I do have a strong opinion here).
FQ13

[Solus]

I certainly wouldn't go that far. The property rights claim is both wrong and brings up unpleasant images. However, I do think organ donation should be an "opt out" rather than an "opt in' system. That is, if you DON'T want to donate for whatever reason, you should be able to check the no box when you get your DL. If you don't check no, that means you give consent. Its pretty much the same system we have now only in reverse. It puts the burden on those who wish to let their corpse rot rather than helping others live (and yes I do have a strong opinion here).
FQ13

I'd go along with the DL Organ Donor plan as long as it was a positively asked question by the clerk at the time of DL issuance.

My big concern here is that the state somehow assumes ownership of a citizens body.  There is a fine line between a living body and a dead one....particularly if the state benefits from yours being dead.

Anyone who looks at things from anywhere near that perspective is a danger and threat to all free human existence,

[JC5123]

Legally, this is not hard. I have the right to decide what is done with my body when I die. Not some bureaucrat. For the record I am currently and always have been an organ donor. I figure once I die, my parts aren't doing me any good.

Here is the rub though, my fear is that BECAUSE I am an organ donor, will paramedics and doctors maybe not do everything possible to save my life? I figure this is a pretty baseless fear, although there are some pretty unscrupulous people in every profession.

My ex wife had some objections to it, which I never considered. Apparently they can transplant your eyes now. She didn't want me to be a donor for fear that if anything happened to me she would have the fear of seeing my eyes on someone else, and she couldn't handle that.  

It's a very personal decision, and definitely not one to be taken lightly. I say screw the regime for their arrogant presumption.  

[tombogan03884]

Interesting, when the Chinese apply involuntary Organ donation it's a "Human rights issue", but when our own communists want to do it it suddenly becomes a matter of "Health, wealth, and Happiness".
If Americans had any balls left at all they would drag these mo*therf*ckers out and hang them.
Unfortunately we live in a nation of sheep.
God bless America ?
Why should he, we sure as hell do not deserve it.

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[fightingquaker13]

My ex wife had some objections to it, which I never considered. Apparently they can transplant your eyes now. She didn't want me to be a donor for fear that if anything happened to me she would have the fear of seeing my eyes on someone else, and she couldn't handle that.  

Tell her she  may see them, but they'll be in the face of some kid who would otherwise be blind. That ought to end the argument. If it doesn't, suggest she can see them if they do an autopsy of the worms in your coffin (they go for the soft tissue first).
FQ13 who really does think its a criminal waste not to donate

[Timothy]

Here is the rub though, my fear is that BECAUSE I am an organ donor, will paramedics and doctors maybe not do everything possible to save my life? I figure this is a pretty baseless fear, although there are some pretty unscrupulous people in every profession.

I was actually in that position, motorcycle accident, organ donor, etc...

I had about a 5 to 10 percent of survival in an urban hospital well known for it's "OOPS, I operated on the wrong leg/brain/knee"!

I'm here writing this so it worked out for me but that doesn't mean I don't think it hasn't or doesn't happen from time to time.

I'm still an organ donor but I don't ride a "donorcycle" at the moment!

[JC5123]

Interesting, when the Chinese apply involuntary Organ donation it's a "Human rights issue", but when our own communists want to do it it suddenly becomes a matter of "Health, wealth, and Happiness".
If Americans had any balls left at all they would drag these mo*therf*ckers out and hang them.
Unfortunately we live in a nation of sheep.
God bless America ?
Why should he, we sure as hell do not deserve it.

The country is a powder keg right now. Personally I am ready for someone to light the fuse and just get it over with. I have been watching the occupy protests with great interest. Since I feel it is these idiots and the people that support them, that are the most likely to escalate things into violence. It has always been these groups that have historically been responsible for nearly all the violence in history anyway. Unfortunately, I think we are at the point that a violent revolution is the only way to save the republic. Government will never heed the will of the people unless they are terrified of the citizenry.  

[MikeBjerum]

Beyond my personal beliefs and feelings, I have insight into the organ donation industry that many do not.  All of that by the wayside I feel that organ donation should be an opt in situation.  It should never be automatic, assumed or required.  This is a very private thing, and each person should be allowed to make the decision of what they want with no undue influence or pressure from the government or other entities.

Sorry folks, but if you do not have documentation from a person that they want to donate and what they wish to donate, you can't have it!

[JC5123]

Tell her she  may see them, but they'll be in the face of some kid who would otherwise be blind. That ought to end the argument. If it doesn't, suggest she can see them if they do an autopsy of the worms in your coffin (they go for the soft tissue first).
FQ13 who really does think its a criminal waste not to donate

Apparently you didn't see the EX part.

Better stop accusing Tom of only reading the first line of a post.