Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration

[dipisc]

Hi;

     We all have to remember that once this Joker is out of office and all that was done is exposed - it can all be reversed.  The key thing is him out of office ! After reading all of these comments this is what those who wish to destroy this country are hoping for - all of us at each others throats while they whip up their magic.

     We need to calm down and get him and his cronnies out and then clean up the mess !

[MikeBjerum]

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[JC5123]

Hi;

     We all have to remember that once this Joker is out of office and all that was done is exposed - it can all be reversed.  The key thing is him out of office ! After reading all of these comments this is what those who wish to destroy this country are hoping for - all of us at each others throats while they whip up their magic.

     We need to calm down and get him and his cronnies out and then clean up the mess !

All true, and while I don't disagree with you, in the mean time we must always be fighting the battles. We have to convince those that would vote for him why they are wrong. We can never stop the debate. After all, political correctness is nothing more than a tool to silence the opposition.

[tombogan03884]

I just don't see it as a question of state power. The law is full of examples of where your property rights, privacy rights and other rights end upon death if you don't take positive steps to protect them postmortem in the form of a will or similar statement. Sugesting we add organ donation to that list while giving folks an easy opt out at the DL office hardly seems to be a violation of liberty.
Sorry, but I don't think that DQs me as a libertarian.
FQ13

But then it's a well established fact that FQ isn't the sharpest dagger in the back.   

I will go on record as saying that I am an organ donor.
I also part out my old cars when I'm done with them.
In both cases it is my property and my choice.

[fightingquaker13]

Hi;

     We all have to remember that once this Joker is out of office and all that was done is exposed - it can all be reversed.  The key thing is him out of office ! After reading all of these comments this is what those who wish to destroy this country are hoping for - all of us at each others throats while they whip up their magic.

     We need to calm down and get him and his cronnies out and then clean up the mess !

Amen, but its all, (mostly ), in good fun. We have these debates here as fights within the family,  I can't speak for the others, but I never got irate during this exchange.And frankly ,its for educational purposes. I learn stuff from  these sorts of arguments. Yeah there are some issues that have some heat to them unlike this one. But you are right, we can call each other names here, but when it comes to the core values of the 2A and limited government we will close ranks.
FQ13

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[MikeBjerum]

But then it's a well established fact that FQ isn't the sharpest dagger in the back.   

I will go on record as saying that I am an organ donor.
I also part out my old cars when I'm done with them.
In both cases it is my property and my choice.

Your property and your choice - That is the key to this.  It is not anyone's right to make that decision for you.  You made the decision, and if someone chooses not to make the decision, one should not be forced on them or their family.

[tombogan03884]

Your property and your choice - That is the key to this.  It is not anyone's right to make that decision for you.  You made the decision, and if someone chooses not to make the decision, one should not be forced on them or their family.

Isn't it odd that the guy who favors killing babies as "Pro choice" has a less favorable view of letting us choose what to do with our dead bodies ?
Like I said, not the brightest bulb in the lamp.
Takes a college education to be that much of a hypocrite.

[Pathfinder]

The city does it with your recycling. There have been cases where homeless folks have been popped for taking cans out of the recycle bin. The cities claimed that the homeowner transferred rights to those cans to them by putting them in city bins and then abandoning them. Now, take your body, which is trash once you are gone if you don't donate, or recyclables if you do donate.

Are you kidding? Equating the human body with an empty tin can or glass bottle?

What we are dealing with is a question of presumptive ownership of abandoned property minus a declaration stating a desire to donate or not. An easy simile is found in probate law. Absent a will, property above a certain value is placed in trust with the state until all claimants are heard. Same here. If you want to donate, do nothing. If you don't opt out.  The state is no more taking liberties here than they are with trash policy or probate law.
FQ13

If my body were dumped into a recycling bin, then maybe the state has a right to it. Maybe. Long hot, but maybe.

Lacking that, the state can kiss my fat white hairy dead ass when I'm gone. The body belongs to my estate, just as does my car, my savings account, and everything else I own. The state does not have a "presumptive ownership of abandoned property" when it comes to my estate, only if the bank or whatever never hears from me do they - or should they - get involved.

The point of being a libertarian is that others - including the state - should leave me alone, mind their own damn business unless and until the my needs cross the needs of someone else. So, yeah, FQ, the state is taking huge liberties here by demanding access to my property and my body without due process, probable cause, or any legal precedent.

Putting materiel in trust to ensure it is distribute fairly without a will is NOT the same thing as the state taking that property for the state's purposes.

BTW - here's another bho moment for you, FQ (who voted for that POS) - if you are backing something that Cass Sunstein proposes, you really are a tool. At high noon Sunstein could tell me that it was noon and I would still walk away from him before checking my watch to confirm it, thinking that it was a ploy for him to steal my watch - or something else - as I looked at it.

Another case of the perfesser knowing a lot without knowing a damn thing.

[kmitch200]

Here is the rub though, my fear is that BECAUSE I am an organ donor, will paramedics and doctors maybe not do everything possible to save my life? I figure this is a pretty baseless fear, although there are some pretty unscrupulous people in every profession.

From the medics point of view: no worries there....we do resusitation the same way using the same standards in either case.
The parts have to have the best chance of perfusion and that chance is with aggresive resusitation.
In my agency, the only thing that was treated different is the obviously brain splattered GSW. Those you don't write off (and leave in place for the cops to finish with their investigation), just in case the family wants to donate something.

[philw]

I am.  Like I will need them. If I can help someone.  Just hope they like beer and ice coffee as there is a fair bit of that in me