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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2011, 05:59:13 PM »
Are you kidding? Equating the human body with an empty tin can or glass bottle?

If my body were dumped into a recycling bin, then maybe the state has a right to it. Maybe. Long hot, but maybe.

Lacking that, the state can kiss my fat white hairy dead ass when I'm gone. The body belongs to my estate, just as does my car, my savings account, and everything else I own. The state does not have a "presumptive ownership of abandoned property" when it comes to my estate, only if the bank or whatever never hears from me do they - or should they - get involved.

The point of being a libertarian is that others - including the state - should leave me alone, mind their own damn business unless and until the my needs cross the needs of someone else. So, yeah, FQ, the state is taking huge liberties here by demanding access to my property and my body without due process, probable cause, or any legal precedent.

Putting materiel in trust to ensure it is distribute fairly without a will is NOT the same thing as the state taking that property for the state's purposes.

BTW - here's another bho moment for you, FQ (who voted for that POS) - if you are backing something that Cass Sunstein proposes, you really are a tool. At high noon Sunstein could tell me that it was noon and I would still walk away from him before checking my watch to confirm it, thinking that it was a ploy for him to steal my watch - or something else - as I looked at it.

Another case of the perfesser knowing a lot without knowing a damn thing.

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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2011, 07:25:06 PM »
I am.  Like I will need them. If I can help someone.  Just hope they like beer and ice coffee as there is a fair bit of that in me ;)

I have read that a transplanted organ from an older person to a younger one will rejuvenate and appear to be the age of the young recipient and that minor defects might be healed....

I think, Phil, your organs would be pushing that miracle to the limit.   ;D ;D
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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2011, 07:35:35 PM »
Are you kidding? Equating the human body with an empty tin can or glass bottle?

If my body were dumped into a recycling bin, then maybe the state has a right to it. Maybe. Long hot, but maybe.


Well Path, maybe here we have another case of where our common Christian faith divides us rather than unites us. Rastus made it clear to me that hates a "heretic ::)' more than an infidel. I hope you don't agree. But to me, when I die my soul goes on to to Glory and my body is nothing but 170 pounds of meat that will rot soon. It signifies nothing, is worth nothing, and is simply the cocoon I emerged from when I go on to to that further shore. Bury me under marble, or roll me in a ditch, I do not care. I have gone home. You can keep my carcass Path, I no longer want it. And if my parts will help people, please take them, because that is my Christian duty to give where I can, particularly if it doesn't hurt. And how can giving pieces of my shell hurt when I have no more use for it? Its sad we are divided by a common religion Path, but that's my take on it.  :-\
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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2011, 08:22:33 PM »
Well Path, maybe here we have another case of where our common Christian faith divides us rather than unites us. Rastus made it clear to me that hates a "heretic ::)' more than an infidel. I hope you don't agree. But to me, when I die my soul goes on to to Glory and my body is nothing but 170 pounds of meat that will rot soon. It signifies nothing, is worth nothing, and is simply the cocoon I emerged from when I go on to to that further shore. Bury me under marble, or roll me in a ditch, I do not care. I have gone home. You can keep my carcass Path, I no longer want it. And if my parts will help people, please take them, because that is my Christian duty to give where I can, particularly if it doesn't hurt. And how can giving pieces of my shell hurt when I have no more use for it? Its sad we are divided by a common religion Path, but that's my take on it.  :-\
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Figures you would bring your Christianity into this. Goodness, I hardly know where to begin.

What part of Scripture says it's your Christian duty to mutilate your body - even after death? Not a surprising position from a guy who thinks it's OK to murder an unborn human being.

If your body is worth nothing, as you said above, why then in an earlier post did you state it was OK for the state to take everything of value for probate, including your body?

And if you want to chose to donate organs, fine, no problem. Where does Scripture say it's OK for the ruling powers to demand that you donate, or to simply take your body parts, which was the original issue that caused me to hammer you this way. You always dodge the key issue when your position is shown to be untenable.

And, oh, BTW, when you give, it is supposed to hurt. Remember Jesus' parable about the widow's mite? She gave more with her mite than all of the other people combined, because that small amount meant more to her than did all the wealth that had been contributed by the wealthy. Scripture talks about tithing 10% as a beginning, not the goal.

Your soul goes to Heaven when you die? True. But have you read Revelation lately? You might want to hang onto your body parts for Christ's return.

The only division in this "common religion" as you called it (nice, but flawed, reference to GB Shaw there, BTW) is the sheer hypocrisy of one of us who proclaims his Christianity without really understanding anything about it. And if you think I am being harsh in labeling you a hypocrite, Christ routinely did that to those who professed to believe and obey God's will, but in fact lived lives to the contrary. Be heedful of the warning in Matthew 7:22-23

22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

For those reading this who are not Christians, all I can say is - - - - FQ started it!!!!!  ;)
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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2011, 10:20:26 PM »
I still want him to explain why women should have a choice about killing babies but the rest of us are "crimanally wasteful" if we exercise the "choice" of being buried with all our pieces .
That's a little piece of hypocrisy he just kind of skip over.

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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2011, 04:40:17 AM »
Look. I've said what I have to say on this topic. I've tried logic and even theology. I have failed to change anyone's mind, and the reverse is true, so I am done here. Better luck on the next topic . ;)
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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2011, 07:44:51 AM »
Would someone please tell my liver it's not allowed to voluteer on it's own?
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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2011, 08:49:43 AM »
Isn't it odd that the guy who favors killing babies as "Pro choice" has a less favorable view of letting us choose what to do with our dead bodies ?
Like I said, not the brightest bulb in the lamp.
Takes a college education to be that much of a hypocrite.

I still want him to explain why women should have a choice about killing babies but the rest of us are "crimanally wasteful" if we exercise the "choice" of being buried with all our pieces .
That's a little piece of hypocrisy he just kind of skip over.

Look. I've said what I have to say on this topic. I've tried logic and even theology. I have failed to change anyone's mind, and the reverse is true, so I am done here. Better luck on the next topic . ;)
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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2011, 08:54:23 AM »
More like, kinda bored with the argument, but a funny clip.
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Re: Who is an Organ Donor - as proposed by the BHO Administration
« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2011, 10:57:09 AM »
Look. I've said what I have to say on this topic. I've tried logic socialist/communist/progressive bullshit and even theology. I have failed to change anyone's mind, and the reverse is true, so I am done here. Better luck on the next topic . ;)
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